Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert

[Landshark]

On a side note. No one on Sirius radio feels Martin is a replacement for Long.

He can be, if he gets it together.  I agree with Pappy that he's better on the left side than the right.  His natural position was left tackle where he played in college, and he played better there after Long got hurt than he did at the right tackle spot.  And this was without any practice time. 

What he did this offseason to improve his strength and techniques will tell us what we need to know.

[MikeO]

 The vets are starting to realize the bad deal that they agreed to. They thought by restricting the rookie's salary, the vets would reap the benefits. They didn't anticipate a restrictive salary cap. So, I can't blame Long for turning down $11 mil last year. Its only the 2nd off-season with this new CBA.

The Vets didn't get a bad deal. They got a lot of GUARANTEED health care in that deal which they don't realize now but will save them lots and lots of money down the road for the rest of their life. The owners are the one who got the bad deal overall. Nobody factors in the health care costs and always overlook it

[MikeO]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/04/19/neils-nfl-daily-april-19-2013/

good read

[el diablo]

Two things. Albert isn't a free agent. And the Chiefs used the tag on him. The Dolphins might want him to sign for $7 to $7.5 mil, but Albert's agent should be fired if he settles for that. The Chiefs set the bar on that. Not Albert.

[Spider-Dan]

Why should Albert's agent be "fired" if he's traded to the Dolphins and signs a 5-year $37M contract with $20M guaranteed?  $20M is more than $10M.

[MikeO]

Two things. Albert isn't a free agent. And the Chiefs used the tag on him. The Dolphins might want him to sign for $7 to $7.5 mil, but Albert's agent should be fired if he settles for that. The Chiefs set the bar on that. Not Albert.

Huh? It's all about the guaranteed money. The yearly average doesn't mean squat! IF he is traded to Miami and signs a long-term deal he will become the highest paid OT this offseason. Making more than Long and anyone else. I don't understand your logic.

[el diablo]

No kidding that its about the guaranteed money.  According to the article, the writer implied that Albert should settle for $7 mil in a new contract. His franchise tender is for $9 mil. If Kansas City didn't franchise him, then I could see the $7 mil logic. However, they did. Which hampers his readability. If Miami is unwilling to guarantee $16 mil over the next two $24 over the next 3, then that would be a bad deal for Albert. Which is why I said what I said. Granted, if Albert stays in kc and gets hurt, he's screwed. But, KC upped his price when they franchised him.

[MikeO]

No kidding that its about the guaranteed money.  According to the article, the writer implied that Albert should settle for $7 mil in a new contract. His franchise tender is for $9 mil. If Kansas City didn't franchise him, then I could see the $7 mil logic. However, they did. Which hampers his readability. If Miami is unwilling to guarantee $16 mil over the next two $24 over the next 3, then that would be a bad deal for Albert. Which is why I said what I said. Granted, if Albert stays in kc and gets hurt, he's screwed. But, KC upped his price when they franchised him.

you have totally lost me on this. There are 2 scenarios for Albert. And Albert in no way is getting screwed in either scenario.

He either makes $9 mill this year, becomes a free agent next year and signs a huge deal then. OR he gets traded to Miami now and gets a huge deal now. In no way is Albert getting screwed.

You are making the mistake of looking at "yearly average" of "$7 mill a year" which is a totally worthless number if he signs a long-term deal. Miami isn't trading for Albert without a deal in place, so there will be NO TRADE unless Albert gets the big money deal. Once again, Albert isn't going to be traded without being paid BIG BUCKS, Albert is calling the shots now on this! .....hence he isn't getting screwed!!

[el diablo]

you have totally lost me on this. There are 2 scenarios for Albert. And Albert in no way is getting screwed in either scenario.

He either makes $9 mill this year, becomes a free agent next year and signs a huge deal then. OR he gets traded to Miami now and gets a huge deal now. In no way is Albert getting screwed.

You are making the mistake of looking at "yearly average" of "$7 mill a year" which is a totally worthless number if he signs a long-term deal. Miami isn't trading for Albert without a deal in place, so there will be NO TRADE unless Albert gets the big money deal. Once again, Albert isn't going to be traded without being paid BIG BUCKS, Albert is calling the shots now on this! .....hence he isn't getting screwed!!

Again, according to the article that you submitted. I'm not looking at the average salary.

[Spider-Dan]

No kidding that its about the guaranteed money.  According to the article, the writer implied that Albert should settle for $7 mil in a new contract. His franchise tender is for $9 mil. If Kansas City didn't franchise him, then I could see the $7 mil logic. However, they did. Which hampers his readability. If Miami is unwilling to guarantee $16 mil over the next two $24 over the next 3, then that would be a bad deal for Albert. Which is why I said what I said.

So if I understand you correctly:

- Albert is scheduled to make ~$10M guaranteed next year
- Albert's agent "should be fired" if he accepts a deal making "$7M to $7.5M per year"

HOWEVER

- A deal which guarantees $16M over the next two years is acceptable?

So basically, $7.5M per year is an insult but $8M per year is kosher?  Tough crowd.

[MikeO]

Again, according to the article that you submitted. I'm not looking at the average salary.

Either way Albert is getting paid a lot of money and a very large chunk guaranteed. I don't know what your issue is with any of this.

[MikeO]

Jason Cole reporting tonight that Brandon Albert wants to be paid more than Jake Long and Miami is having second thoughts

If Miami doesn't trade for Albert expect them to use that 2nd round pick they woulda sent to KC to trade up for one of the other 3 OT's

[EDGECRUSHER]

Miami can't let Jake Long go and then sign someone similar to him for more money AND a 2nd round draft pick. That's just stupid. I never liked this proposal from the beginning and I hate it even more now.

I would rather use that extra pick to move up and draft a LT for a fraction of the cost.

[Sunstroke]

Miami can't let Jake Long go and then sign someone similar to him for more money AND a 2nd round draft pick.

The critical area in which they are NOT similar is their health. If Long was as healthy as Albert, he would never have been allowed to walk.

[MikeO]

The critical area in which they are NOT similar is their health. If Long was as healthy as Albert, he would never have been allowed to walk.

Exactly. Albert has had some back issues, and that's it. Long has had back issues, knee issues, triceps issues, biceps issues, shoulder issues. Can't compare the 2 when it comes to injury history.