Romo Contract

[Guru-In-Vegas]

Tony Romo > Joe Flacco  Whoever decided to pay Flacco that much is a bigger dunce than Jerry Jones.  

1. I better not see any Dolphins fans come to Flacco's defense with a "Superbowl ring blah blah blah..." I think you should figure out why.

2. Romo makes the Cowboys relevant.  The Ravens are not champions because of Flacco.

3. Fuck Flacco and the Ravens.

[Spider-Dan]

Marino played in 18 playoff games in his 17 year career and won 8 of them including 3 divisional round wins and a conference championship.

Romo has played in 4 playoff games in his 9 year career and won once, a wild card game. Not quite the same thing, but nice try.

So wait, 25% win percentage is laughable and pathetic, but 44% is HOF worthy?

We all know that for Marino and Peyton, playoff win percentage is always going to be a negative.  The same thing will likely haunt Romo.  But this "he has no clutch" nonsense is, well, nonsense.  At the start of last season, Romo had the HIGHEST career 4th quarter passer rating of ALL active quarterbacks.

One interesting other tidbit on this page is a comparison between Brady and Rodgers.  Rodgers has a better passer rating in the 4th Q than Brady, and yet his comeback record (3-18) is FAR worse than Brady's (25-19).  Why?  Because Brady's defense wasn't losing the game for him in the middle of a comeback.

It's a lot easier for Eli Manning to look like Johnny Unitas when his defense holds the opponent scoreless for the last 25 minutes of the Super Bowl.

[Pappy13]

So wait, 25% win percentage is laughable and pathetic, but 44% is HOF worthy?

No, they are not the same. 4 games is not equal to 18 games either. Marino and Romo were not equals during the season either. Frankly I don't see why anyone would comare Romo to Marino. I've seen them both play and they are nothing alike. Tony Romo's high QB rating is largely due to his high completion percentage and yards per attempt, but let's not kid ourselves, Marino played in a league with different rules then Romo does.

[Spider-Dan]

Romo's rating is high compared to his contemporaries, which eliminates the "era" argument.

And no, Romo is not Marino; Marino would have gotten a top 1 contract, not a top 5.  The point is, if you are going to dispute the comparison of Marino to Romo, you probably shouldn't be using one of Marino's worst statistics (playoff win percentage) just because it's slightly less bad than Romo's.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Marino played in 18 playoff games in his 17 year career and won 8 of them including 3 divisional round wins and a conference championship.

Romo has played in 4 playoff games in his 9 year career and won once, a wild card game. Not quite the same thing, but nice try.

Yes, Marino had a better post season record than Romo.  But point is there is more to judge a QB than post season record.  Romo has a better passing rating the Marino. 

[Pappy13]

Romo's rating is high compared to his contemporaries, which eliminates the "era" argument.

Not compared to the very top of the league. I don't really know how his career rating compares to Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan etc but I doubt it's much higher than theirs if even as high and I don't think it will end up higher than most of them.

And no, Romo is not Marino; Marino would have gotten a top 1 contract, not a top 5.  The point is, if you are going to dispute the comparison of Marino to Romo, you probably shouldn't be using one of Marino's worst statistics (playoff win percentage) just because it's slightly less bad than Romo's.

Slightly less bad? Nearly double is slightly less bad? Marino's career playoff win % is STILL almost twice as good as Tony's and it tailed off near the end of his career. Some of you may be too young to really remember the young Dan Marino but there was NOTHING like him in the first 5 years of his career. Nothing. A 95 passer rating is good, but it's not that unusual to have a +100 or even +110 passer rating in the league these days with the way the QB's and WR's are treated. Back when Dan started it was unusual to have a +100 passer rating.

Marino wasn't known for a high passer rating for his career and it tailed off at the end of his career. If Tony's tails off a little at the end it will only be slightly higher than Marino's for his career and we all know that passer rating is really not that great of an indicator of a QB's total value to the team. I like Tony Romo, but the fact is that he shouldn't be considered in the same category as Dan Marino at this point of his career. If he comes on near the end of his career and finishes out strong, maybe he'll be considered for the hall, but right now, I don't see him having any chance. Dan was a first ballot hall of famer because at the end of his career he held all kinds of career records. What career records will Tony have?

[Pappy13]

Yes, Marino had a better post season record than Romo.  But point is there is more to judge a QB than post season record.  Romo has a better passing rating the Marino. 

Half the starting QB's in the NFL have a higher passer rating than Marino these days because of the way the game has changed. Romo still has a few years to go too, lets see if it stays as high as it is now, Marino's tailed off at the end of his career, I'd be surprised if Romo's doesn't drop a few points and if it does it will only be a few points higher than Marino's and lower then several in the top of the league now.

For the record, I have no problem with the contract that Dallas gave Romo and I have nothing against Tony, but to try to put him in the same category as Dan Marino is funny to me.

[BigDaddyFin]

He's the reason Dallas is as good as they are, but he's also the reason they don't go farther in the playoffs.  I'm also not a big believer in passer rating (or QBR, or whatever mathematical formula they want to invent). 

You hit Tony Romo a couple times and he starts throwing picks and doing a lot of really dumb things.  When he's on his game he's one of the top QBs in the NFL. 

He's no more and no less than a streaky top 10 player who doesn't like to get hit.

[mecadonzilla]

He's no more and no less than a streaky top 10 player who doesn't like to get hit.

This is the truth.

The Dolphins offensive line was horrid at times pass blocking for Tannehill.  The Dallas O-line was worse...much worse.  It doesn't matter how much they sign Romo for if they continue to not protect him worth a damn.

[Spider-Dan]

Not compared to the very top of the league. I don't really know how his career rating compares to Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan etc but I doubt it's much higher than theirs if even as high and I don't think it will end up higher than most of them.

I just told you that (as of the start of the 2012 season) his 4th quarter passer rating was the highest out of all active QBs.  So yes, that's compared to everyone.

Slightly less bad? Nearly double is slightly less bad? Marino's career playoff win % is STILL almost twice as good as Tony's and it tailed off near the end of his career.

44% is still bad.  And Marino only had one postseason (1984) that he finished with a winning record, so if "the end of his career" is "1985 to 1999," sure, it "tailed off near the end."

Marino wasn't known for a high passer rating for his career and it tailed off at the end of his career.

Marino retired with (at the time) the 4th highest career passer rating of all time, so I'm not sure where you get that from.

I like Tony Romo, but the fact is that he shouldn't be considered in the same category as Dan Marino at this point of his career.

Of course he shouldn't!

The point is that every QB has negatives.  Romo has a poor playoff record?  Marino's playoff record (8-10) is pretty bad compared to some of his contemporaries like John Elway (14-7) or Jim Kelly (9-8).  "But those are HOF QBs," you say?  Romo is not a HOF QB, he likely never will be, and he's not being paid like one.

So just as Marino has a poor playoff record compared to many other HOFers, and Romo has a poor playoff record compared to other Pro Bowl (but not HOF) level QBs, that doesn't mean either one of them suck.  They should be judged on more than one criteria.

[Spider-Dan]

You hit Tony Romo a couple times and he starts throwing picks and doing a lot of really dumb things.

This is every QB.

There is no QB out there that plays well when he's being thrown to the ground every play.  Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, you name it: look at the games when the opponents are consistently getting to the QB and they don't do so hot.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Half the starting QB's in the NFL have a higher passer rating than Marino these days because of the way the game has changed. Romo still has a few years to go too, lets see if it stays as high as it is now, Marino's tailed off at the end of his career, I'd be surprised if Romo's doesn't drop a few points and if it does it will only be a few points higher than Marino's and lower then several in the top of the league now.

For the record, I have no problem with the contract that Dallas gave Romo and I have nothing against Tony, but to try to put him in the same category as Dan Marino is funny to me.

Romo has a top-5 passer rating of current players.  My point is not to compare Romo to Marino as players, but in foolishing claiming Romo is a bad QB, because the rest of his team has underperformed. 

[Pappy13]

Romo has a top-5 passer rating of current players.  My point is not to compare Romo to Marino as players, but in foolishing claiming Romo is a bad QB, because the rest of his team has underperformed. 

On that we can agree. I've never claimed that Romo was not a good player, only that he's not Dan Marino and their careers don't warrant comparisons in my humble opinion.

[BigDaddyFin]

This is every QB.

No it isn't.  Maybe I'm too stuck in a bygone era but I seem to recall Elway, Marino, Montana even Jay Fiedler a couple times take a game-long pounding and find ways to win games. 

I agree pressure makes guys make mistakes, so if that's what you're getting at spider, then you're right.  But I never seen a guy quit or start throwing picks after literally two or three knockdowns like Romo and some of his contemporaries.

[MikeO]

all of this Marino and Elway talk, next month an ESPN 30 for 30 on the 1983 NFL Draft. Hear its very good

Now back to the Marino-Romo debate (lol)