Trayvon vs. Zimmerman - The trial

[Spider-Dan]

Yes, exactly the same, except:

- the victim was with two other acccomplices (so, potentially 3 versus 1)
- the shooter did not stalk the victim after being instructed not to
- the shooter was immediately arrested and charged

How many times do I have to say this?  If Zimmerman were promptly arrested and charged, this would have been as much of a non-story as the Jordan Davis shooting that happened several months AFTER Martin was killed.

I would love for you to find an example of a black man killing an unarmed white kid and not even being arrested, much less charged.  It should be easy to find, because (as you have pointed out repeatedly for totally legitimate and relevant reasons) poor people black people kill more people than any other race in this nation.  (See, I even bolded it for you!  Now you can take a screenshot.)

[Phishfan]

- the shooter did not stalk the victim after being instructed not to

Why do you blatanlty keep misrepresnting this point. It has clearly been stated that #1 he was not "instructed" because the words were "we don't need to to do that" and not "don't do that" and #2 the operator had no authority to make any such instruction.

[pondwater]

Yes, exactly the same, except:

Round and round we go, spin time.

- the victim was with two other acccomplices (so, potentially 3 versus 1)

Only one person tried to attacked Mr. Scott.

- the shooter did not stalk the victim after being instructed not to

Moot point and totally irrelevant as pointed out in court.

- the shooter was immediately arrested and charged

Zimmerman was arrested, charged, and prosecuted. The fact that there were protests after the trial. The fact that the focus was shifted to SYG laws after the trial. And the fact that Zimmerman was found not guilty and I'm still seeing bullshit race baiting on news and media. All of that shows that the fake outrage wasn't because of the lack of arrest. Hypocrisy from liberals and blacks at it's finest.

How many times do I have to say this?  If Zimmerman were promptly arrested and charged, this would have been as much of a non-story as the Jordan Davis shooting that happened several months AFTER Martin was killed.

Well, even after the arrest and acquittal it's still as much of a story as as it was after it happened. I see multiple things in the media everyday.  That refutes your "non-story if promptly arrested" theory. The fact is that Roderick Scott and George Zimmerman should have never been arrested or charged with a crime.

I would love for you to find an example of a black man killing an unarmed white kid and not even being arrested, much less charged. 

Just like Zimmerman, Roderick Scott should never have been arrested or charged with a crime. Regardless of what you think, you and the "watchdogs of the oppressed" don't know more than the police and district attorney. They can't use intuition or childish racial emotion to arrest and prosecute someone. They have to go by the evidence that can be proven. And the evidence is that Zimmerman was not guilty before he was arrested and he was not guilty after the trial. He may not be the smartest person around, but as we all know that's not a crime. If it was, Angela Corley should have been arrested, charged, prosecuted, and convicted long ago.

It should be easy to find, because (as you have pointed out repeatedly for totally legitimate and relevant reasons) poor people black people kill more people than any other race in this nation.  (See, I even bolded it for you!  Now you can take a screenshot.)

You bolded it. Now go back and read it a few times. Can you admit it's true? YES or NO? Let everyone know because you still haven't answered it.

[Spider-Dan]

Why do you blatanlty keep misrepresnting this point. It has clearly been stated that #1 he was not "instructed" because the words were "we don't need to to do that" and not "don't do that" and #2 the operator had no authority to make any such instruction.

I imagine it's for the the same reason that you keep pretending that asking someone "Are you following him?" and (after they respond in the affirmative) immediately telling them "OK, we don't need you to do that" is not an instruction.  If you want to make the case that the 911 operator has no legal grounds to give any person any sort of direction, then make that case... because Zimmerman certainly did not make it.

The bottom line is that Zimmerman claims that he followed that instruction.  His defense team was never absurd enough to try to make the argument that he didn't understand what the operator meant, so I don't know why you are.

[Spider-Dan]

Zimmerman was arrested, charged, and prosecuted.

...only after a national outcry of protests, which is the point.

If this story is all about the race hustlers ganging up on not-quite-whitey, then what is your explanation for the lack of same racial outrage in the Jordan Davis homicide?  A real, bona fide white man shot and killed an unarmed black kid.  Why is this not on the lips of Jesse Jackson every day?  Is there some difference other than the fact that the killer was arrested and immediately charged?

Just like Zimmerman, Roderick Scott should never have been arrested or charged with a crime.

And yet he was (without any sort of crazy national media blitz).  Weird how that happens.

But somehow, I don't seem to recall conservatives coming out of the woodwork to defend this Law-Abiding Citizen, while insisting that his very arrest itself was a miscarriage of justice.  Nor do I remember the legions of Race Hustlers on every corner screaming that Roderick Smith should never have been arrested in the first place, and that the police were Racists for booking him.  Maybe you can link to some stories documenting these things.

[pondwater]

I imagine it's for the the same reason that you keep pretending that asking someone "Are you following him?" and (after they respond in the affirmative) immediately telling them "OK, we don't need you to do that" is not an instruction.  If you want to make the case that the 911 operator has no legal grounds to give any person any sort of direction, then make that case... because Zimmerman certainly did not make it.

The bottom line is that Zimmerman claims that he followed that instruction.  His defense team was never absurd enough to try to make the argument that he didn't understand what the operator meant, so I don't know why you are.

None of what you are saying is relevant. Because, if you haven't noticed. Zimmerman is Not-Guilty, despite the best attempts of the race baiters.

[pondwater]

In yet even more news about this trial even though the protesters got what they wanted with an arrest and prosecution of Zimmerman. The only minority juror, a 36 year old Puerto Rican woman gave an interview with Good Morning America. In the interview she said that she was the holdout for convicting of 2nd degree murder.

"George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with," Maddy said. "[But] the law couldn't prove it."

"That's where I felt confused, where if a person kills someone, then you get charged for it," Maddy said. "But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty."

It's good that her and the jury realized that you have to go by the evidence and the law in order convict someone of a crime and not emotions, personal feelings or political or civil pressure about the situation.

 When asked by Roberts whether the case should have gone to trial, Maddy said,

"I don't think so, I felt like this was a publicity stunt. This whole court service thing to me was publicity,"

 

Wait, the only juror that wanted to convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree murder didn't think that this should have gone to trial. Indeed, a smart woman. I wonder how much taxpayer money was wasted by Angela Corley by prosecuting Zimmerman when the Sanford PD already knew that he wasn't guilty of a crime. She should be fired ASAP.

[pondwater]

...only after a national outcry of protests, which is the point.

If this story is all about the race hustlers ganging up on not-quite-whitey, then what is your explanation for the lack of same racial outrage in the Jordan Davis homicide?  A real, bona fide white man shot and killed an unarmed black kid.  Why is this not on the lips of Jesse Jackson every day?  Is there some difference other than the fact that the killer was arrested and immediately charged?

You'll need to contact Sharpton and Jackson about their agendas, I can't answer for them. No matter how you spin it, there are still protests and media stories about this case even after being arrested, charged, prosecuted, and acquitted. If we use your theory and going by what the race baiters have said about "just wanting Zimmerman to have his day in court", then logically they got what they wanted and the racial outrage for the "non-arrest" should have been long over and done with. HUH?

[Spider-Dan]

Casey Anthony was arrested and charged, why are people still making a big deal about it?

SO MYSTERIOUS

[Phishfan]

His defense team was never absurd enough to try to make the argument that he didn't understand what the operator meant, so I don't know why you are.

Another misrepresentation. He was questioned about his authority while on the stand and said they are specifically instructed to not give those types of directions #1 because they do not have the authority & #2 because they are liable if they do give instructions.

Nice try but they most certainly did address this during the trial.

Please note that I don't try to argue the other side of the coin either. The operator asking about where Martin was now was not instructions for Zimmerman to follow as some people have said.

I have listened to the facts and put irractional emotions aside. You probably should as well.

[pondwater]

Casey Anthony was arrested and charged, why are people still making a big deal about it?

SO MYSTERIOUS

You are the "people" bringing up Anthony. I haven't seen anything about Anthony except when you start deflecting and changing the subject. Meanwhile, liberals, blacks and racists are protesting the word "NOT-GUILTY". Martin's parents are on a world tour, racist and pandering lawmakers are wasting taxpayer money spending time on self defense laws, and jurors are probably about to come out of the woodwork in the media and get rich writing books. What's SO MYSTERIOUS is that spider still can't or won't admit that his bolded statement from a few posts ago is true and a fact. Ain't life great?

[Spider-Dan]

Another misrepresentation. He was questioned about his authority while on the stand and said they are specifically instructed to not give those types of directions #1 because they do not have the authority & #2 because they are liable if they do give instructions.

So by this logic, if a policeman says "We are specifically instructed not to use excessive force when arresting someone" then that means they didn't do so?

Immediately after the operator said "We don't need you to do that," Zimmerman said "OK" and (according to Zimmerman) immediately stopped doing that.  But I guess he was coincidentally not following the non-instructions?

I have listened to the facts and put irractional emotions aside.

And yet for some reason, you are arguing that that Zimmerman did not verbally agree to cease pursing Martin, when Zimmerman himself says otherwise.

[Spider-Dan]

You are the "people" bringing up Anthony.

In this thread?  Sure.  It's a relevant example when people want to claim that a not guilty verdict means the defendant was clearly in the right from the beginning, should not have been arrested, and everyone should shut up about it.

What's SO MYSTERIOUS is that spider still can't or won't admit that his bolded statement from a few posts ago is true and a fact.

Because I need to carefully and explicitly endorse my own statements... even the ones I specifically put in bold?

Maybe you should make five or six more posts highlighting the fact that BLACKS KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY OTHER RACE IN THE US.  It might also be a good idea to make two or three pointing out that MORE BLACKS ARE IN JAIL THAN ANY OTHER RACE, and that MORE BLACKS ARE ARRESTED FOR DRUG USE THAN ANY OTHER RACE.  ALL OF WHICH ARE TRUE AND ARE FACTS!

You know, just in case anyone was confused about your agenda in a thread about a unarmed black kid who got killed by a (white) Hispanic man.

[pondwater]

In this thread?  Sure.  It's a relevant example when people want to claim that a not guilty verdict means the defendant was clearly in the right from the beginning, should not have been arrested, and everyone should shut up about it.

Yes because the cases are so similar. NOT

Because I need to carefully and explicitly endorse my own statements... even the ones I specifically put in bold?

Well yes, when you used it sarcastically when a simple acknowledgement or yes would do.

Maybe you should make five or six more posts highlighting the fact that BLACKS KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY OTHER RACE IN THE US.  It might also be a good idea to make two or three pointing out that MORE BLACKS ARE IN JAIL THAN ANY OTHER RACE, and that MORE BLACKS ARE ARRESTED FOR DRUG USE THAN ANY OTHER RACE.  ALL OF WHICH ARE TRUE AND ARE FACTS!

Since you finally acknowledged the facts as true I have no need to ask you about it anymore. As for the rest of the stuff you mentioned about blacks. I have no interest in those facts because they have nothing to do with this topic. Besides, between your post and CF's post, I think you have it covered.

You know, just in case anyone was confused about your agenda in a thread

I'm confused about what agenda you're talking about. Why don't you tell me about it since I'm not aware.
 

about a unarmed black kid with drugs in his system who got killed while committing felony assault on a (white) Hispanic man who was investigating a suspicious person in his neighborhood.

^^^I fixed it again for you. I'm sure that you omitted those facts by mistake

[Spider-Dan]

You can't even say whether Martin had more drugs in his system than Zimmerman did, so that line of argument is silly.  And of the two of them, Martin is not the one with a history of being arrested for belligerent violence while under the influence.

I am also interested in hearing the basis on which you claim that Martin committed felony assault; I recall no court or jury that rendered that verdict.  As you just pointed out, at least one of the jurors that acquitted him believes that Zimmerman did commit murder but that the state failed to prove it.  As has been pointed out repeatedly, Zimmerman's acquittal did not require that the jurors believed his story, but simply that they had reasonable doubt about the state's version.