Who would you put on the Dolphins' Mount Rushmore?

[Sunstroke]

Joe Robbie would get my vote if we were doing a non-players Mt. Rushmore, but I just can't put him ahead of JT though.

Perhaps if Joe Robbie had competed on Dancing With the Stars, I might take his candidacy more seriously...

[MikeO]

AFC owners in the Hall of Fame:

Paul Brown, Al Davis, Lamar Hunt, Art Modell, Art Rooney, Dan Rooney, Ralph Wilson

All 7 of those gentlemen were AFC owners at the same time Robbie was the owner of the Dolphins.

Your point?!!  I said multiple times Robbie isn't worthy of being in the HALL OF FAME! That doesn't disqualify him to being on the Dolphins Mt. Rushmore!

[MikeO]

So basically, you're comparing one player (Doleman) who was never the best defender in the league at any point,

Hate to break it to ya...either was JT. He was never the best defensive player in the league at any point. He might have had a good year stats wise but he was never the best defensive player in the league.

 

And Strahan was a finalist in his first year of eligibility.

A finalist isn't a hall of famer. That's like bragging about those Conference Championship rings pal

[Spider-Dan]

Your point?!!  I said multiple times Robbie isn't worthy of being in the HALL OF FAME! That doesn't disqualify him to being on the Dolphins Mt. Rushmore!

You used the Hall of Fame as a point to supposedly DQ JT and Zach, yet (on a strictly numerical basis) it is much, much easier to get into the HOF as an owner (particularly as an AFL-era owner) than as a player.

Some consistency, please.

[Spider-Dan]

Hate to break it to ya...either was JT. He was never the best defensive player in the league at any point. He might have had a good year stats wise but he was never the best defensive player in the league.

Defensive Player of the Year says otherwise.  Not sure what else to tell you on that.

A finalist isn't a hall of famer. That's like bragging about those Conference Championship rings pal

First-year finalist doesn't sound like "an outside shot" or "a borderline guy" to me; it sounds like someone who was pretty damn close to being a first-ballot HOFer.  And like I just said, JT utterly destroys Strahan in every meaningful category but sacks, which Strahan barely wins.

[phinphan]

I went Shula Marino for first two and Jason Taylor Zach for second. I totally understand Czonca but I am reading it as who I would pick I was 2 years old when Czonka was running seen old footage but Jason and Zach made the games watchable when we struggled on offense. JT was a monster that scared QB's and ZT was like a pit bull in the center. JT also was very good at disrupting Tom Brady he took him out of his game zone a lot. Mike I can't believe you are slamming JT He was one of the best to play his position and like I said he tormented offensive coaches on opposing teams.Lead NFL in sacks, Had a few fumble recoveries a couple he caused. I am a fan but everyone talked about how good JT was I think he goes in first time.

[MikeO]

Mike I can't believe you are slamming JT He was one of the best to play his position and like I said he tormented offensive coaches on opposing teams.Lead NFL in sacks, Had a few fumble recoveries a couple he caused. I am a fan but everyone talked about how good JT was I think he goes in first time.

Nobody is slamming JT. He is a good player not a great one. Calling someone good is now slamming them? He is a borderline hall of famer in my eyes. And he isn't one of the Top 4 Dolphins of all time. Not even close! JT only led the league in sacks once, 2002. So let's not make it like he won the sack title every year. You got a guy like Kevin Green with more sacks than JT who isn't in the Hall of Fame.  Some of you are re-writing history about how good he was. He is far from one of the 4 best Dolphins of all time. I would put Griese in that spot, Robbie in that spot, Little in that spot.

[MikeO]

Defensive Player of the Year says otherwise.  Not sure what else to tell you on that.

He won it once...once. Which I noted he won once. NO. He had one great statistical season which got him the award. But he wasn't the best defensive player of his era.

[CF DolFan]

He won it once...once. Which I noted he won once. NO. He had one great statistical season which got him the award. But he wasn't the best defensive player of his era.

Tom Brady might have a different opinion than you.

[Sunstroke]

He won it once...once. Which I noted he won once. NO. He had one great statistical season which got him the award. But he wasn't the best defensive player of his era. 

So, setting aside the ambiguity of the term "of his era," you're saying that only one defensive player "of his era" should make it into the Hall of Fame?  By that standard, Marino wouldn't be in the HoF either, as he wasn't the best offensive player of his era.

Of course, I ask that facetiously, as Marino definitely deserves his Hall of Fame induction (which I was present in Canton for). Jason Taylor will deserve his HoF nod as well, when it happens.

[Spider-Dan]

He won it once...once. Which I noted he won once. NO. He had one great statistical season which got him the award. But he wasn't the best defensive player of his era.

Then I guess it's a good thing nobody ever said he was?

I said he was the best defender in the league at one point, as evidenced by his Defensive Player of the Year award.  So for 2006, he was the best defender in the league.  It's not that complicated.

[Phishfan]

As usual, MikeO is in a minority (as based by our voting) yet he is the most vocal in the thread (sorry Spider but the fact that Mike is the squeeky wheel here wins him the award).

[MikeO]

As usual, MikeO is in a minority (as based by our voting) yet he is the most vocal in the thread (sorry Spider but the fact that Mike is the squeeky wheel here wins him the award).

being in the minority doesn't mean I'm wrong 

[Phishfan]

^^^ In an opinion poll, it is damn near impossible to be wrong.

[Sunstroke]

^^^ Unless your opinion doesn't parallel MikeO's, in which case, you're wrong...and he'll break out as many exclamation points and all-caps usage as necessary to convince you of the foolishness of your opinion.