Who would you put on the Dolphins' Mount Rushmore?

[MikeO]

^^^ Unless your opinion doesn't parallel MikeO's, in which case, you're wrong...and he'll break out as many exclamation points and all-caps usage as necessary to convince you of the foolishness of your opinion.

And if someone doesn't agree with you we all get subjected to bad attempts at humor which aren't funny 

[Brian Fein]

Sorry to say but I think Mike is dead on here.  I think some of you have fond and recent memories of JT and the bias inflates his legacy in your mind.  As I said 3 pages ago, I feel like on a larger scale, JT isn't worth the spot.  Not knocking him, but he's not top 4 ALL TIME.

[Phishfan]

^^^ You guys are entitled to your opinions but for giggles I just looked at three separate lists of similar top Miami Dolphins lists and the lowest I saw Jason was #6 so I would say we are much closer to the consensus than either of you are. Mike is smoking crack with his position Taylor is barely HoF material.

[Sunstroke]

Don't you just hate it when someone demands that you agree with their opinion, but refuses to share their crack with you?

[Phishfan]

^^^ It certainly makes it hard to understand their reasoning.

[MikeO]

Sorry to say but I think Mike is dead on here.  I think some of you have fond and recent memories of JT and the bias inflates his legacy in your mind.  As I said 3 pages ago, I feel like on a larger scale, JT isn't worth the spot.  Not knocking him, but he's not top 4 ALL TIME.

Yep! I am not knocking JT either. He is a borderline hall of famer. That is high praise. Just not a Top 4 all time Miami Dolphin. That's all

I hope he gets in the Hall of Fame. I wanna go to Canton for a weekend and celebrate that as a Fin Fan. I just don't see it happening and if it does it might be a very long wait.

[Brian Fein]

^^^ You guys are entitled to your opinions but for giggles I just looked at three separate lists of similar top Miami Dolphins lists and the lowest I saw Jason was #6 so I would say we are much closer to the consensus than either of you are. Mike is smoking crack with his position Taylor is barely HoF material.

If he's #6, how are you justifying bumping him up to #4?  Mount Rushmore has 4 heads, not 6.

I'm interested to know who these other lists show in their top 4.

[Phishfan]

If he's #6, how are you justifying bumping him up to #4?  Mount Rushmore has 4 heads, not 6.

I said that was the lowest I saw him on those three lists. The other two had him in there.

[Spider-Dan]

I think some of you have fond and recent memories of JT and the bias inflates his legacy in your mind.

Similarly, I think some of you have recent memories of his free agency decisions, which influences your opinion unduly.

As I said 3 pages ago, I feel like on a larger scale, JT isn't worth the spot.  Not knocking him, but he's not top 4 ALL TIME.

You literally just said, "If Mount Rushmore has 5 heads, I'd put him there all day long."  So it looks like you think he's, at worst, #5.  Your gap between #4 ALL TIME and #5 ALL TIME is that large?

[tits muldoon]

Gotta go w/ Griese. I love JT but Doug Betters was kind of a 80's version. If you have to go D on #4  Scott, Buoniconti, Tayler, Fernandez, Thomas, idk all seem even to me? Had a harder time keeping warfield out than of the defenders.

[Brian Fein]

Spider, I merely stated that he played for a rival, didn't say that was biasing my decision.  It literally has nothing to do with my argument, just another supplementary data point.

Just think Griese earned his spot and deserves it.  There's a reason they make you wait 5 years before going into the hall.  Your legacy has to stand the test of time.  10 years from now, I might have a different opinion about JT and switch him around over Griese.  But for right now, I feel like he needs time to marinate amongst the other all time greats.

[Pappy13]

Sorry to say but I think Mike is dead on here.  I think some of you have fond and recent memories of JT and the bias inflates his legacy in your mind.  As I said 3 pages ago, I feel like on a larger scale, JT isn't worth the spot.  Not knocking him, but he's not top 4 ALL TIME.

Make your case for someone else then.

[Brian Fein]

I have been since page 1...

[phinphan]

All I know is from the poll on this page it is Dan Don Larry and Jason everybody arguing this voted right. Voting settled it Jason is in the top four..............

[Pappy13]

I have been since page 1...

Sorry, thought it was MikeO doing all the talk about JT, now I see that you agreed with him from the beginning.

I would put Griese at #5, just behind JT. I watched both of them play, so I don't really think it has anything to do with fond and recent memories as I still have fond memories of Griese playing as well. The difference is that I thought JT was a bigger playmaker on the defensive side of the ball than Griese was on the offensive side of the ball. I think it was MikeO that said JT wasn't the best defensive player in his era and that may be true, but he was pretty darn close as he was the defensive MVP one year and was always mentioned as one of the great defensive players in the league at the time. I don't believe that Griese ever won a league MVP as there were many other great offensive players during those years, not just QB's. Even amongst the QB's Griese was thought to be more of a cerebral, tactical QB in his day, he really wasn't considered to be a great playmaker. He knew exactly when the running game had caused the defense to start to crowd the line and then would exploit it in the passing game with precise and effecient passing.

It's true that the team had more success with Griese at QB then with JT leading the defense, but Griese had MUCH more help than JT had. Look at all the players on the list above from Griese's era and there are several more that have been left off like Manny Fernandez, Jake Scott, Mercury Morris, Jim Kiick, etc. JT had Zach, Surtain, Madison and a few others, but not like those SB teams in the 70's.

As far as accolades go, I believe that JT will be inducted into the HOF and I believe his number will be retired after that, so I don't think that's much different from Griese.

Either of them are certainly worthy of being #4. I gave a small edge to JT and I wouldn't argue with anyone who picks Griese over him, but to say it's not close doesn't ring true to me.