Colorado Democrats lose recall elections over gun-control votes

[pondwater]

Ok fine guys, since there is no way to prove it either way, we'll just have to disagree about being invaded. No point arguing with people dead set on changing the subject and derailing the original topic.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Yeah, well that's all fine and good but if a bunch of goat herders in a desert can do it, I think the American people can do it better with more people and more weapons. Also that scenario doesn't cover the single end issue of military sympathizers and deserters. All it takes is for 1 soldier to "flip" and agree with the "insurgents" and the "insurgents" have a huge advantage.

So your theory is that the reason Russia didn't invade the US during the period between 1950-1980, was not because of our Navy and Airforce would stop them mid-ocean, but because once they invaded they would lose to the insurgents in Idaho?  

Seriously?  

[pondwater]

So your theory is that the reason Russia didn't invade the US during the period between 1950-1980, was not because of our Navy and Airforce would stop them mid-ocean, but because once they invaded they would lose to the insurgents in Idaho?  

Seriously?  

No those are your words. Make your own thread and discuss it.

[Spider-Dan]

Neither has either of the oceans, that was my point.

So you think the reason why there were no Japanese soldiers running through the California countryside, or German tanks rumbling down Boston streets, has nothing to do with the Pacific or Atlantic oceans.

Right.

[bsmooth]

You are not going to see this more often. It happens occasionally, but not often. Most people mindlessly vote for the same party election cycle after election cycle. It takes something special to cause a recall, and in this case the recall was only 50% successful.
As for a second civil war and secession, it is not going to happen. People in this country are too lazy and comfortable to engage in a civil war or to secede. It is easy to spout rhetoric on the internet and puff out your chest. It is whole different story to actually lace em on, ruck up, and spill blood...and to face the hardships involved with a civil war and secession.
I am not surprised you have ignored these convenient facts.

[CF DolFan]

I would bet everything I have that there would be a civil war if guns were outlawed. People came out of the wood works to fight after 911 and this would be much larger than that.

Americans are lazy but the spirit to defend freedom is still very much alive.

[Phishfan]

A prohibition on guns takes away the right of private ownership of guns but add the right of security. 

I do not agree with this at all. I have guns for my security and for recreation. You are taking away a means of my home security by banning private gun ownership. Criminals will still have guns if they are banned. Regardless if they do not, there will still be criminals and my plan is to have a better defense than their offense.

[Phishfan]

But lets close the loop hole that allows convicted felons to buy a gun at a gun show without a background check.  

This is a bit of a misnomer. It isn't because of the gun shows. A licensed dealer still has to perform the background checks. The loophole is private purchases. Private citizens can sell guns to others without performing a background check, although it is illegal to knowingly do it with someone you know cannot own a gun. This sale can happen at someone's house or at a gun show. It just sounds better for the anti-gun groups to call it a gun show loophole rather than a person's private transaction loophole.

[Fau Teixeira]

My point was (before this turned into a threadnaught), that if there's enough public support to repeal a constitutional amendment (it's been done before) then the result of that repeal will NOT result in civil war.

I'm not claiming that there is currently massive support for a repeal of the 2nd amendment. I'm just saying that i would support such a move.

Private gun ownership has no place in a structured civil society. Their purpose is to kill, there is no other purpose to owning a gun other than killing something.

[Dave Gray]

I would bet everything I have that there would be a civil war if guns were outlawed.

I would absolutely take that bet.  And I'd win.

[Fau Teixeira]

And finally, repealing the 2nd amendment would set a precedent that our rights are negotiable. As far as I'm concerned our rights aren't negotiable and that's what makes this country the best country in the world.

Our rights are absolutely negotiable, so much so that we have a structure in place in the constitution on how exactly to negotiate them.

You have the right to your own opinion, you don't have the right to your own facts. Seeing that your reason about "what makes this country the best country in the world" is in fact incorrect, I guess you have to re-evaluate your opinion.

[EKnight]

@Fau Teixeira- I completely agree with your perspectives throughout this thread.

That's all I got. -EK

[Phishfan]

Private gun ownership has no place in a structured civil society.

And eutopias do not exist but it would be great if they did.

[Landshark]

Private gun ownership has no place in a structured civil society. Their purpose is to kill, there is no other purpose to owning a gun other than killing something.

I'll bet you would change your stance on this if anyone ever broke into your house and tried to hurt you and/or your family

[Fau Teixeira]

I'll bet you would change your stance on this if anyone ever broke into your house and tried to hurt you and/or your family

I bet you would change your stance on this if anyone ever ran into your kid's elementary school and put a bullet in his head.