Colorado Democrats lose recall elections over gun-control votes

[EKnight]

I bet you would change your stance on this if anyone ever ran into your kid's elementary school and put a bullet in his head.

^this. Man walks into an elementary school with a gun in the US and kills 26 people. ON THE SAME DAY, a man walks into a school in China with a knife and attacks 22 people, none of whom died.

I don't even understand where the debate is. There's no need for private citizens to have firearms in our society. The "right" to bear arms was established in an era when you were likely to see a bear walking across your front lawn because most of the country was Wild Kingdom. It's no longer applicable.

Contrast the number of stories centered around, "man walks into school/mall/theater and kills dozens," with the number of them centered around, "man saves neighborhood from outlaw pirate bad asses, thanks to his personal stash of firearms." -EK

[Phishfan]

I bet you would change your stance on this if anyone ever ran into your kid's elementary school and put a bullet in his head.

While I would be devastated I do not believe taking guns away from lawful citizens would be an answer still.

[CF DolFan]

The "right" to bear arms was established in an era when you were likely to see a bear walking across your front lawn because most of the country was Wild Kingdom. It's no longer applicable.

Hahaha we have bears all over. They are even in our multi-million dollar neighborhoods on a daily basis. Pain in the butt because they cause damage trying to get into things let alone the mess they make on trash days.

One of the parents on my daughter's soccer team was showing me pics of a bear looking into his daughter's window.

Don't worry though as we don't shoot them.

[CF DolFan]

While I would be devastated I do not believe taking guns away from lawful citizens would be an answer still.

They would make bombs. It isn't like guns are the only thing to use for large scale destruction. Look what only enough to fertilize 4.25 acres of farmland did in Oklahoma.

The bombing claimed 168 lives[1] and injured more than 680 people.[2] The blast destroyed or damaged 324 buildings within a 16-block radius, destroyed or burned 86 cars, and shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings,[3][4] causing at least an estimated $652 million worth of damage.

Lot's of kids involved there too.

[EKnight]

Hahaha we have bears all over. They are even in our multi-million dollar neighborhoods on a daily basis. Pain in the butt because they cause damage trying to get into things let alone the mess they make on trash days.

One of the parents on my daughter's soccer team was showing me pics of a bear looking into his daughter's window.

Don't worry though as we don't shoot them.

Guess I should have used mountain lions as an example... Since our use of firearms has made them extinct and all... -EK

[Spider-Dan]

They would make bombs. It isn't like guns are the only thing to use for large scale destruction. Look what only enough to fertilize 4.25 acres of farmland did in Oklahoma.

Then I guess it's a good thing that bombs are already illegal, and civilians are not permitted to stockpile huge caches of explosives under the cloaks of "self-defense" and "sport hunting" and "stopping government tyranny."

I would also like to point out that the fertilizer-based components of the OKC bomb were later outlawed by Congress.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

This is a bit of a misnomer. It isn't because of the gun shows. A licensed dealer still has to perform the background checks. The loophole is private purchases. Private citizens can sell guns to others without performing a background check, although it is illegal to knowingly do it with someone you know cannot own a gun. This sale can happen at someone's house or at a gun show. It just sounds better for the anti-gun groups to call it a gun show loophole rather than a person's private transaction loophole.

Either way close the loophole. Make it illegal to sell a gun to someone unless that person can lawfully own one.  Pretty simple:  Perspective buyer goes to the police station, undergoes a background check and is issued a permit to purchase the gun.  Buyer shows the permit to the seller who is required to keep a photo copy of it.  The perspective buyer could obtain the permit before even begin shopping for the gun and it would be valid for a period of time (1 or 2 years).

[Landshark]

I bet you would change your stance on this if anyone ever ran into your kid's elementary school and put a bullet in his head.

If that happened, I would grab my gun and hunt down the man responsible.  All the more reason to allow private gun ownership.

^this. Man walks into an elementary school with a gun in the US and kills 26 people. ON THE SAME DAY, a man walks into a school in China with a knife and attacks 22 people, none of whom died.

I don't even understand where the debate is. There's no need for private citizens to have firearms in our society. The "right" to bear arms was established in an era when you were likely to see a bear walking across your front lawn because most of the country was Wild Kingdom. It's no longer applicable.

Contrast the number of stories centered around, "man walks into school/mall/theater and kills dozens," with the number of them centered around, "man saves neighborhood from outlaw pirate bad asses, thanks to his personal stash of firearms." -EK

And if schools employed armed security guards, the man with the gun would've been neutralized.

[EKnight]

Adding more guns to a gun problem... Yeah that'll fix it. -EK

[Phishfan]

Either way close the loophole. Make it illegal to sell a gun to someone unless that person can lawfully own one.  Pretty simple:  Perspective buyer goes to the police station, undergoes a background check and is issued a permit to purchase the gun.  Buyer shows the permit to the seller who is required to keep a photo copy of it.  The perspective buyer could obtain the permit before even begin shopping for the gun and it would be valid for a period of time (1 or 2 years).

It already is illegal to knowing sell someone a gun if you know they cannot legally own one. Also a 1-2 year purchasing permit would not be able to stop recently convicted felons.

[AZ Fins Fan 55]

Guess I should have used mountain lions as an example... Since our use of firearms has made them extinct and all... -EK

Wrong again....I have mountain lions all around the surrounding areas in Phoenix. In fact I had one in my back yard about 4 years ago. We don't shoot them needlessly either and I own a whole lot of guns.....who have never killed anyone by the way!!!!! 

[Landshark]

Adding more guns to a gun problem... Yeah that'll fix it. -EK

The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. 

[Spider-Dan]

And yet, in the most heavily armed nation on the planet, what is the number of armed criminals stopped by legally-armed civilians compared to the number of legally-armed civilians who attack unarmed civilians?

Jared Loughner was legally armed.
James Holmes was legally armed.
Adam Lanza used the legally-acquired weapons in his home (that his mother regularly trained him to use).

[Fau Teixeira]

The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. 

this is bullshit .. pure and simple .. you know what stops a bad guy with a gun .. the bad guy not having a gun

[EKnight]

Wrong again....I have mountain lions all around the surrounding areas in Phoenix. In fact I had one in my back yard about 4 years ago. We don't shoot them needlessly either and I own a whole lot of guns.....who have never killed anyone by the way!!!!! 

Should have been more specific- Eastern Mountain lions have become extinct. -EK