Stone-hands Wallace

[Spider-Dan]

Is he getting paid like Fitzgerald and Johnson?

Is he getting paid like Megatron?  Hell no.
Is he getting paid like Fitzgerald?  Maybe.  Fitzgerald has an ancient contract and Wallace's was signed this year.

edit: Fitzgerald was given an 8-year contract for $120 million ($50M guaranteed) in 2011.  So no, Wallace is not being paid like a receiver that does everything.

[Brian Fein]

If you're talking about where the players are catching balls, then the metric you should be using is "average per catch." 

Disagree.
If I throw 20 balls at Hartline from 10 yards away and he catches 18 of them for 180 yards, then I throw the same 20 balls to Wallace and he catches 6 for 60 yards.  Both average 10 yards per catch, but one is SIGNIFICANTLY better.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

If you're talking about where the players are catching balls, then the metric you should be using is "average per catch." 

No average per catch is a horrible measure.  

Targeted 12 time, caught once for 20 yards is not as impressive as targeted 10 times caught 9 times for 80 yards.

[Spider-Dan]

No average per catch is a horrible measure.  

Targeted 12 time, caught once for 20 yards is not as impressive as targeted 10 times caught 9 times for 80 yards.

Once again:

If you are going to say that Wallace is catching balls x yards down the field and Hartline is catching balls y yards down the field, it's silly to then compare their yards per target.  Either use catches or targets... don't mix and match.

If you want to say that Wallace is being targeted x yards downfield, feel free.  But that kind of requires that you presume that a 30-yard catch is as easy as a 4-yard catch.

[MaineDolFan]

I can remember a couple games when Ginn also made a huge difference in the game on special teams.  He might not have been hauling on 100 yards passing, but he was doing other things.

If this is what the defense for Wallace is...I can make the same for Ginn.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Once again:

If you are going to say that Wallace is catching balls x yards down the field and Hartline is catching balls y yards down the field, it's silly to then compare their yards per target.  Either use catches or targets... don't mix and match.

If you want to say that Wallace is being targeted x yards downfield, feel free.  But that kind of requires that you presume that a 30-yard catch is as easy as a 4-yard catch.

Catching the ball 30 yards down the field and getting tackled at the point of catch vs. catching the ball 4 yards down the field and running 26 yards before being tackled.

If I am the coach both are the same to me.

Per each time I throw the ball in the direction of said receiver what is the expected improvement in field position in combination of distance ball travels in the air and carried by the receiver.

On average when the ball was thrown in Wallace's direction field position improved by 6.3 yards, when thrown in Clay's direction 9.8.

[Spider-Dan]

I can remember a couple games when Ginn also made a huge difference in the game on special teams.  He might not have been hauling on 100 yards passing, but he was doing other things.

I can remember exactly one game ever where Ginn made a difference on special teams (the same one we all remember).

Outside of two games against the Jets (which does make them more important, but not that much more), Ginn did basically nothing ever.  He wasn't even returning punts after his first year.

[Spider-Dan]

On average when the ball was thrown in Wallace's direction field position improved by 6.3 yards, when thrown in Clay's direction 9.8.

How many touchdowns result when the ball is thrown in Dion Sims' direction, on average?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

How many touchdowns result when the ball is thrown in Dion Sims' direction, on average?

I left Sims, Egnew, and Matthews off for a reason.  The sample size is just too small for any sort of meaningful analysis. 

Enough balls have been thrown in the direction of the four I listed to get a general sense of expectations, that is not true for the other three. 

[dolphins4life]

Didn't see the game, but I'd take 7 catches and 105 yards from my number one receiver any day

[Dave Gray]

Sure, Wallace is giving you decent production, but seemed to drop some balls that we really could've used.  Also, when you have a young QB who's getting as much pressure as it is, you gotta help him out some...especially on balls that hit you in the numbers.

I'm hopeful that in the long run, more of this stuff will work out.  Both sides need improving.  And a little bit of line help so the QB can stand in there and deliver will make a lot of difference.

[CF DolFan]

Wallace has had three TD passes go through or off his hands in two games. Trying to justify why that is ok is pretty silly.

[EKnight]

Didn't see the game, but I'd take 7 catches and 105 yards from my number one receiver any day

Absolutely. But that's not what he's producing regularly. He's still averaging under 3 receptions and around 56 yards per game. -EK

[Brian Fein]

Didn't see the game, but I'd take 7 catches and 105 yards from my number one receiver any day

16 targets.  You didn't watch the game.  Some of the balls he dropped hit him in the hands and would have made a huge difference.

I don't care what you're getting paid, or who you are, if you are a paid RECEIVER in the NFL, at this level, nothing that hits your hands should be anything but a completion.  It hit you in the HANDS!  If it happens multiple times each game, it becomes a big deal.

[Spider-Dan]

There are plenty of sure-handed receivers in the NFL.  Davone Bess is one of them.