Stone-hands Wallace

[Cathal]

There are plenty of sure-handed receivers in the NFL.  Davone Bess is one of them.

Man, you sound like a bad girlfriend that just won't let anything go.  (sorry)

[Spider-Dan]

I just get tired of the:

"we need a disciplinarian!"
"we need a coach that's not such a dictator!"
"we need a coach that doesn't put up with nonsense!"

"we need an elite receiver!"
"we have too much money tied up in one receiver!"
"we have no receivers!"

"we're spending too many draft picks on offensive linemen!"
"we don't have any offensive linemen!"

treadmill.

It seems to me that the trend of complaining that Miami isn't doing enough of what you just insisted Miami stop doing is rather pervasive since the end of the Wanny era.

[fyo]

Isn't this just one big straw man argument?

No one seems to dispute that Wallace dropping passes is bad and I don't really see anyone defending him.

The Dolphins have very deliberately and publicly decided to go for players with "home run potential". Wallace fits that profile. It's why he was brought in and paid big bucks (but not "elite" big bucks).

If we talk about the stone hands he has (clearly) displayed at times, is it not also reasonable to talk about all the times he has been underthrown? Those were near-certain touchdowns and we're talking at least one every game so far. Wallace should get credit for being open on those, just as he should be slammed for dropping very catchable balls.

[CF DolFan]

Like I said in another thread ... I was listening to the Ravens broadcast team call the game yesterday and they criticized Wallace at least three or four times in reference to his salary in regards to his drops. I don't think Dolphin fans are out of line by expecting him to make the routine catches let alone the impact catches.

[Spider-Dan]

That's a good point, and maybe something I should clear up.

I don't expect Wallace to catch everything, because if he did, he would be an elite receiver that PIT never would have let go.  That is the flaw in his game.

He spreads out the defense and gives you quick-strike capability (if your QB can hit him when he's open), but he is not a possession receiver.  That being said, what he does is still worth what he's paid.  If you disagree, just wait until the next offseason and see who gets paid more than Wallace.

Dolphin fans were bellyaching about Marshall's contract, but Percy Harvin and Dwayne Bowe both have larger contracts (average per year) than Marshall does.

[Dave Gray]

I'm not nearly as frustrated with Wallace as I was with Marshall.  I never considered Wallace a top tier guy, though, so maybe that's why.

[MikeO]

I'm not nearly as frustrated with Wallace as I was with Marshall.  I never considered Wallace a top tier guy, though, so maybe that's why.

Plus Wallace doesn't get arrested or have run-in's with cops every other week and isn't yelling at his QB on the sidelines during games or proclaiming he will get thrown out of the upcoming game middle of the week prior. With Marshall the "off the field stuff" was so bad it just overshadowed whatever happened on the field....good or bad.  So until Wallace is at that level of being a moron off the field (which will probably never happen) I am not going to panic 5 games in. And if Wallace totally implodes and sucks in Miami, well its only  a 3 year deal then Miami can wash their hands and not have any real  salary cap issues by letting him go. Not to mention today Miami STILL has $20+ mill of cap space so it isn't like his deal totally has us behind the 8 ball right now.

[masterfins]

Like I said in another thread ... I was listening to the Ravens broadcast team call the game yesterday and they criticized Wallace at least three or four times in reference to his salary in regards to his drops. I don't think Dolphin fans are out of line by expecting him to make the routine catches let alone the impact catches.

Not that I don't agree with what you are saying, but keep in mind the Ravens announcers have had some practice knocking Wallace from when he played for the Steelers.

[Brian Fein]

To be clear, I'm also sick of the Spider-Dan treadmill.  I wasn't saying we need to get rid of Wallace.  I appreciate his value to the team.

However, I'm extremely tired of hearing tv broadcasters talking about Wallace and Tannehill not being "on the same page" because balls keep hitting a professional catcher in the hands and he's not catching them.  They've played together for months, I doubt there's any issue of being on the same page.  I just think Wallace needs to fix his drop issues, because we've all been down that road before.  There's no pot of gold at the end of that rainbow.

[EKnight]

Just out of curiosity, since Marshall's shenanigans were brought up, I have 2 questions:

1. Why does Wallace get a free pass when he makes homophobic remarks to the media and then whines like a diva about not getting balls thrown his way?
2. Since Marshall has been in Chicago, he's a top 5 in the league receiver, with no issues that I can recall off the field or with teammates. What is Chicago doing that Miami failed to do in managing him? -EK

[MikeO]

saying something stupid like homophobic remarks and actually being arrested multiple times and run ins with cops are very different!

The next time Wallace has to appear before a judge or wear handcuffs it will be his first time! So until then, the 2 aren't close to being equal. It's just that simple. Saying something stupid isn't equal to hitting a woman, being involved in stabbings, refusing to pay cab driver to the point of having to be carted off in cuffs and being involved in a drive by shooting where someone died! Marshall was an idiot in Denver AND Miami. Just a matter of time before it happens in Chicago....he has a track record. And if he has changed, oh well. Just bad luck Denver and Miami had. Doesn't mean they had to keep him and tolerate his lunatic behavior hoping someday he would change.  Marshall is a first class jerk with a police record the size of a telephone book. Wallace doesn't have a police record. Comparing the 2 is laughable

[Spider-Dan]

To be clear, I'm also sick of the Spider-Dan treadmill.  I wasn't saying we need to get rid of Wallace.  I appreciate his value to the team.

How is Mike Wallace any different from Ted Ginn at this point?  The only difference is that Wallace is occasionally servicable, doesn't return kicks, and wasn't selected 9 overall.

You will forgive me if, when you ask how a player is "any different from Ted Ginn" (who you thought was NOT worth keeping), I interpret that as you saying that Wallace is also not worth keeping.

But maybe I also underestimated your appreciation of Ginn's value to the team.

[Brian Fein]

My comparison to Ted Ginn was NOT specifically pointed towards reasons to get rid of him, but to highlight the over-rated nature of Mike Wallace compared to public perception of Ted Ginn.

But, yes, I will forgive you for jumping to conclusions.

(If you gravedig further, you will find threads in which I was in favor of keeping Ginn, just for his special teams value.  My statement made in your linked thread was after Ginn was already traded, and the conclusion was foregone.)

[pondwater]

Wallace is paid entirely too much to drop as many as he does.

[Dave Gray]

Just out of curiosity, since Marshall's shenanigans were brought up, I have 2 questions:

1. Why does Wallace get a free pass when he makes homophobic remarks to the media and then whines like a diva about not getting balls thrown his way?

He doesn't get off with me.  This and his shenanigans in week one, being escorted off the the field -- I don't care for either of those.