officiating in the afc east.

[MikeO]

I do not remember any discussion of bad calls after the New Orleans loss. We flat out got owned in that game and that is where the bulk of you misguided scoring imbalance comes from.

The discussion is about bad calls in one particular game that led to Miami being outscored in that one game.

You are taking stats from a game not even in the discussion and twisting it to try and make it sound like our bad call discussion doesn't matter because Miami has been terrible in second halves.

100% agree! He is cherry picking stats...par for the course.

What bad calls do in general not just talking about Balt-Miami but in any game where you get a very bad call (and this can't be seen on a stat sheet as black/white, especially if you didn't see the game) is it also changes field position, stops momentum of the team in control, and gives a dead team life. Which is what those 2 bad PI calls did in that game. Baltimore's offense was totally dead in that game at the point it got those 2 PI calls. Now they get a cheap TD and the team comes back to life and has a pep in its step it didn't have for the past quarter and a half.

[EKnight]

So I guess you just skipped the part of my post where I pointed out how badly Miami outscored their opponents in the three wins.

Fine. Let me try to rephrase the point- if you take care of business against Baltimore in the second half like you did against Cleveland, Atlanta, and Indy, the PI call is moot. It's absurd to blame a loss on a single play or call. That's why I think blaming a kicker for losing a game is garbage. Put yourself in a position to win, and the refs won't matter. They did that for three games and won- with 2 of them being great comeback victories. They didn't do that against Baltimore, so the reason they lost isn't because of the OLine, the defense (remember- the D could have held Baltimore to a FG instead of a TD on that drive, but they didn't), the play calling or the running game, but because of the refs?

Someone answer this then- What did the refs have to do with Miami NOT being able to score in the second half of this game like they did in the first half or the second half of the games they won? -EK

[Phishfan]

^^^ And I guess your trollness skipped the part where no one said it was the single cause for a loss. We simply said they were pathetic and at critical times. Take it elsewhere man. I'm not getting looped into strawman discussions.

[EKnight]

Single cause, part of the cause, all of the cause, none of the cause. None of that washes. The refs had nothing to do with Miami not being able to score in the second half proficiently, which is why I guess you didn't address the question in my last post. -EK

[Phishfan]

removed.

No personal attacks please.  Thanks the mods.

[EKnight]

It's absolutely part of the discussion insofar as I don't agree that you can pin the loss on the refs. Just because you disagree with that doesn't mean it's not part of the discussion.

I felt- and posted if memory serves- the same way after the end of the GB-Seattle game last year. It has nothing to do with Miami. It's how I feel about blaming a loss externally instead of internally. -EK