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MyGodWearsAHoodie
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« on: October 31, 2013, 10:24:40 am »

Have you ever done it?  Would you? Why?

I pointed out in another thread that a Dolphins win tonight benifits the Patriots. To whit this was the first response....

You just convinced me to root for Cinci.

With said user name it is obvious that individual was also rooting against the fins in an earlier season to improve the draft pick slot.

I know of Jets fans who were open rooting for the Fins to beat the Jets week 17, to frustrate the Patriots playoff hopes.

While he would deny it now, I know a Patriots fan who was rooting for the Bills in 2002, because he was convinced Belichick traded the wrong QB.

Fans on this board have too, been accused of rooting against their purported favorite team to justify their predictions/complaints. 

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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2013, 10:37:23 am »

I have seen "fans" root against the Dolphins in order to support their debate point that someone sucks or needs to get fired.  It happens all the time, most recently in the Henne/Sparano days ("suck for Luck").  I suspect it is going to happen again soon.  These "fans" are not really fans.  They are casual article-readers who just like to complain.  True fans have football IQ, know something more about teams than what they read in papers, and support their team in good times and bad.  True fans NEVER root against their own team.
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2013, 10:51:17 am »

I wanted us to lose in the Luck sweepstakes.  I still wish we had.  I don't think that makes me a bad fan, but we've been over this.

Now, Luck is going to be a superstar, but we won a meaningless game 3 years ago.  Yay!
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2013, 10:55:09 am »

My personal inegrity does not allow me to root against my team. While other have a valid argument against it, I personally feel it is not any better than an athlete/organization purposely throwing away games.

Dave may think it is a meaningless win but as a competitor, no wins are meaningless to me.
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2013, 11:01:24 am »

I wanted us to lose in the Luck sweepstakes.  I still wish we had.  I don't think that makes me a bad fan, but we've been over this.

Now, Luck is going to be a superstar, but we won a meaningless game 3 years ago.  Yay!
I got your back on this one as I feel exactly the same way.

I have a quandary this year. Although we have other needs there is a certain defensive end coming out that is a beast and a game changer. If we keep going down this road I might be rooting to drop for him.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2013, 11:02:57 am »

I can't root against my teams, however there are situations where I'm not disappointed if they lose.
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2013, 11:27:10 am »

I have seen "fans" root against the Dolphins in order to support their debate point that someone sucks or needs to get fired.  It happens all the time, most recently in the Henne/Sparano days ("suck for Luck").  I suspect it is going to happen again soon.  These "fans" are not really fans.  They are casual article-readers who just like to complain.  True fans have football IQ, know something more about teams than what they read in papers, and support their team in good times and bad.  True fans NEVER root against their own team.
I think this is a pretty short-sighted way to interpret things.  With the exception of "trying to prove a point" (e.g. tepop rooting against Ronnie Brown), you can root for a loss today that is in the long-term best interest.  Do you think a WSH fan that just wanted to pull RG3 in the playoffs last year and pack it in was "not a true fan"?  It's not a crime to look further ahead than the next game.

That being said, I would not bother to watch a game that I wanted the Dolphins to lose.
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2013, 11:33:37 am »

you can root for a loss today that is in the long-term best interest. 

Here is the rub, you are just hoping it is in the long term best interest. During this "era of futility" we have been mired in, the Dolphins have had season that landed them the #1 and #2 picks and seen little to no improvement (they have now also traded up and taken a #3 pick during these lean years). How many more seasons of #1 & #2 picks does it take?

I think you and I have debated this enough in the past, but losing today does not equate to success tomorrow. Therefore I say win all you can.
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2013, 11:40:18 am »

Here is the rub, you are just hoping it is in the long term best interest.

I agree with that.

Lets say it is your personal opinion that Tannehill is the worst QB the Dolphins have had since George Mira.  And are therefore rooting for him to do poorly so that the Dolphins get a new QB.

Wouldn't it be better to be rooting for him to have an huge transformation instead?  (Peyton Manning sucked his first season)
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2013, 12:08:59 pm »

My opinion, you are a shitty fan if you want your team to lose for any reason.
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2013, 12:57:02 pm »

Really?  Am I a shitty fan?

I watch every game even when we are terrible, I buy Dolphins gear worth probably tens of thousands of dollars over my lifetime, I have had season tickets multiple times, I create and run a website that I visit daily to pour my love into the team.  I cried when we got our one win in the 1-15 season.  ...but I'm a shitty fan because I see our path to success coming from a different direction than you do?

That just comes off as ridiculous to me.
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2013, 01:07:46 pm »

I honestly was hoping for Luck.  I really felt he was the best QB prospect coming out of college that I have ever seen.  By that, I mean he was the one I felt was the most certain to be a great QB.

I think I was right.  I wish we would have lost and gotten him.  He could have been a player to truly build a winner around.  With Tannehill, I worry too much about what is going to happen when you take him out of this offensive system.  And it isn't like he is all that impressive in the system (which is the only one he has ever known).  With Luck, he is good enough to make any offensive system work.

So I suppose I was rooting against them a bit for a while there.  Although I must admit, I would cheer when they made a good play (couldn't help it).  Once we started winning, I gave up on Luck and started rooting for the team to win again.

My main take away was this...  You can root one way or another with your head but the heart isn't so easilly swayed.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2013, 01:39:35 pm »

In the finale against the colts in 2006 I rooted for the Colts to win so they'd get homefield if they met the Patriots in the playoffs
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2013, 01:50:09 pm »

I can't root against my teams, however there are situations where I'm not disappointed if they lose.

This about sums it up for me....I never wish for my teams to lose and I watch and hope for the win.....if they lose in certain scenarios I'm not completely pissed like I am at other times.
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2013, 02:03:41 pm »

Here's the thing:
1) You might think your team sucks, but if they pull off a few nice late wins, you might get a playoff berth.  Of course it depends, but this year, nothing is for certain.  The #6 spot is wide open. 
2) Once you get into the playoffs, all bets are off.  Anyone can make it.
3) There's no guarantee that the Dolphins, with the #1 pick would pick Andrew Luck
4) There's no guarantee that, if the Dolphins pick Andrew Luck, he pans out to be great.
5) There's no guarantee that, if the Dolphins pick Andrew Luck, he doesn't get injured and end his career early.

Thus, I'm not a fan of giving up this early in the season, with the playoff situation so wide open, to MAYBE get a CHANCE at POSSIBLY getting a POTENTIALLY good player.  To me, unless it is a guarantee that we win the Super Bowl, its not worth giving up for.

I'd rather see them not even show up for the game and forfeit every week, than show up and lose on purpose.
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