Richie Suspended

[MikeO]

So basically, every other instance of bullying didn't count, only the one that caused Martin to snap?

No, just saying Martin was bullying someone else as early as a week before. So its tough for him to "cry wolf"

[Phishfan]

^^^ i don't think you know the difference between a prank and bullying. The lunchroom gag = prank. Moving a car = prank. Threats of violence = bullying

[Pappy13]

^^^ i don't think you know the difference between a prank and bullying. The lunchroom gag = prank. Moving a car = prank. Threats of violence = bullying

Agreed, so he should have gone to someone with authority over Incognito like Philbin, Sherman, his line coach, the NFL, the NFLPA for example. Did he say anything to anyone prior to last week? If not, what did he think it would just go away? After 2 years of this? This is a grown man we are talking about not a 14 year old boy. You might be able to intimidate a 14yr old boy into saying nothing to anyone for fear of reprisal, but a grown man? He should have known that something needed to be said and something done about it before walking out on the team. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[MikeO]

^^^ i don't think you know the difference between a prank and bullying. The lunchroom gag = prank. Moving a car = prank. Threats of violence = bullying

And he WALKED OUT over the prank! 

[Pappy13]

Given what came out, he probably took part because he was told if he didn't, he'd get it worse.

I'm defending Incognito too at this point because I don't think all of this has come out yet. If all of this was going on and Philbin and Sherman let it go on then yes they are as much to blame as Incognito and they all deserve to be suspended, but neither Philbin nor Sherman strike me as guys that would let this go on. Maybe I can believe that Incognito could have been intimidating Martin, but I can't believe that Martin brought this to Philbin and Sherman and they did nothing. I don't believe that. I think Philbin and Sherman are as shocked about these allegations as is Incognito, but they have no choice but to suspend Incognito until the investigation is complete. When the investigation is complete, I'll be very interested to see what is said.

[MikeO]

Agreed, so he should have gone to someone with authority over Incognito like Philbin, Sherman, his line coach, the NFL, the NFLPA for example. Did he say anything to anyone prior to last week? If not, what did he think it would just go away? After 2 years of this? This is a grown man we are talking about not a 14 year old boy. You might be able to intimidate a 14yr old boy into saying nothing to anyone for fear of reprisal, but a grown man? He should have known that something needed to be said and something done about it before walking out on the team. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

I agree.

[Phishfan]

I'm not defending walking out in any way Pappy or Mike. I'm saying your characterizations of this being no more than a lunchroom prank may be off the mark. I likely would have handled things different but none of us were in Martin's shoes and none of us know what Martin was feeling.

[EKnight]

I'm defending Incognito too at this point because I don't think all of this has come out yet. If all of this was going on and Philbin and Sherman let it go on then yes they are as much to blame as Incognito and they all deserve to be suspended, but neither Philbin nor Sherman strike me as guys that would let this go on. Maybe I can believe that Incognito could have been intimidating Martin, but I can't believe that Martin brought this to Philbin and Sherman and they did nothing. I don't believe that. I think Philbin and Sherman are as shocked about these allegations as is Incognito, but they have no choice but to suspend Incognito until the investigation is complete. When the investigation is complete, I'll be very interested to see what is said.

Several instances of threats including Incognito texting Martin that he would hunt down his family and hurt them. That's indefensible. ESPN has also published texts showing some of the racial slurs and wanting to shit in his mouth in addition to saying he'd slap Martin's mother. In what world is that ok?

Edit to add link: http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24186392/dolphins-harassment-case-text-from-incognito-to-martin-used-racial-slur

-EK

[MikeO]

I'm not defending walking out in any way Pappy or Mike. I'm saying your characterizations of this being no more than a lunchroom prank may be off the mark. I likely would have handled things different but none of us were in Martin's shoes and none of us know what Martin was feeling.

Here is the question we need answered....Did Martin go to any meal this year where the Rookies paid the tab. If so then Martin has no leg to stand on. If he is against rookies being forced to pay for things or players in general being forced to pay for things then you can't come back and cry about it now if you took part in it being on the other end getting a free meal or whatever for free. So that is what we need to have answered.

The pranks thing to me is already settled. Martin played pranks on others but couldn't take them played on him. I don't want to hear Martin crying about any pranks. He lost that right.

Fins need to CUT Richie today. Tell Martin to stay home rest of the year (and pay him his salary) and as an organization just move the heck on. This is beyond silly.

[Spider-Dan]

That's why you have the NFL, the NFLPA, Philbin, Sherman, the offensive line coach etc etc etc.

So the solution is for Martin to go to the authorities.

Which is what he did, with the attendant "WHAT A PUSSY" commentary following.

[EKnight]

What does the meal thing have to do with the truly big picture? You're fixating on one free and missing the forest. Cognito threatened the guy and his family. That's an absolute fact. The Dolphins and NFL have the texts. -EK

[MikeO]

What does the meal thing have to do with the truly big picture? You're fixating on one free and missing the forest. Cognito threatened the guy and his family. That's an absolute fact. The Dolphins and NFL have the texts. -EK

And didn't I say cut Incognito! What part of that don't you get? CUT HIM TODAY! I have said it multiple times!


--no personal stuff
Edit by Dave.

[Pappy13]

I'm not defending walking out in any way Pappy or Mike. I'm saying your characterizations of this being no more than a lunchroom prank may be off the mark. I likely would have handled things different but none of us were in Martin's shoes and none of us know what Martin was feeling.

Under NO circumstances do I believe that Martin should have just taken it.

Actually I'm assuming that Martin WAS being bullied and he should have handled it better. This is a grown man, not some 14 year old boy. What a man does when he's being bullied is he uses all the help at his disposal. He had the NFLPA, the NFL, Philbin, Sherman, his line coach, heck even the police if he had received threatening phone calls. Has he used any of these avenues for help? I believe that if he would have sought help he would have received it and perhaps Incognito would have been off the team a long time ago and the bullying would have been stopped a long time ago.

[EKnight]

And didn't I say cut Incognito! What part of that don't you get? CUT HIM TODAY! I have said it multiple times!

Read what I write before you respond little boy!

Then why are you even asking about the other stuff? Saying, "here is the question we need answered..." Is just nonsense. What they need answered is whether or not Incognito is going to jail. -EK

[Pappy13]

So the solution is for Martin to go to the authorities.

Absolutely.

Which is what he did, with the attendant "WHAT A PUSSY" commentary following.

I didn't call him a pussy, I said that he wasn't mentally tough enough for the NFL which I think is true if what prevented him from going to the authorities was his fear of being called a pussy.