Philbin press conference.

[Pappy13]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/miami-dolphins/0ap2000000276670/Joe-Philbin-Will-ensure-safe-atmosphere

Unless you think Philbin is straight up lieing here, Martin never mentioned any player conduct as the reason for him leaving until yesterday when the Dolphins were contacted by his representatives. That was after several visits with Martin and his family by Philbin directly after leaving the team. After Miami was contacted by Martin's representatives and the alleged misconduct by players, Miami then did some of their own investigation and that's when the voice mail from Incognito to Martin surfaced. Once they heard that voice mail they immediately decided to suspend Incognito for conduct detrimental to the team last night. I believe that Philbin is telling the truth here and I believe this confirms my belief that Philbin knew nothing of Incognito's conduct prior to yesterday and that Martin had never brought it up to Philbin prior to yesterday. Maybe he should have known, but it doesn't sound like he did or he's the biggest liar the Dolphins have ever employed.

[Landshark]

Like Robert DeNiro in the movie Casino:


If you didn't know about it, then you're too incompetent to keep this job. If you did, you were in on it.  Either way, you're OUT!!

[Pappy13]

If you didn't know about it, then you're too incompetent to keep this job.

I'm not ready to go there in regards to Philbin, but I can respect that position.

[Spider-Dan]

If you didn't know about it, then you're too incompetent to keep this job. If you did, you were in on it.

I think this part sums it up for me.

As has been previously mentioned, if you decide to simultaneously get rid of all the team leaders to make a statement and your locker room immediately falls apart, that is your fault.

[Pappy13]

As has been previously mentioned, if you decide to simultaneously get rid of all the team leaders to make a statement and your locker room immediately falls apart, that is your fault.

If he did it to make a statement, then that's one thing and that would be a really really stupid thing to do. If on the other hand he did it just because he thought those players weren't what he wanted and wanted some other players, I understand that thought process. Now if it turns out badly it doesn't really matter which it was, but I'm not convinced just yet that it has turned out badly. I'll wait to see how the rest of the year progresses to assess how it has turned out. The Dolphins actually didn't play that bad without both Martin and Incognito in the last game. Perhaps Clabo and Garner can be just as good if not better then Incognito and Martin especially if the bad element has been removed. It is possible for something good to come out of all of this.

[EKnight]

Albert Breer reporting that "multiple" Dolphin sources acknowledge Martin approached Philbin in spring of this year. Calling shenanigans that the coach didn't know what was going on right under his nose. -EK

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000275489/article/jonathan-martin-talked-to-joe-philbin-about-issues-in-spring

[CF DolFan]

You must have missed this. "Another source said Martin's O-line mates weren't aware of his previous problems or that he'd met with Philbin, which led those players to believe nothing was wrong."

So members on the O-line weren't aware there were issues? How could this be? These guys probably know when each other gets laid.

The guy didn't say anything for days after he left. Embarrassed and pushed by his family he blames others for him being unable to handle the stress. We hear this everyday all across America and wonder why we are falling behind the rest of the world.

[EKnight]

I didn't miss it; I just don't believe it. Of COURSE they're going to say they didn't know. -EK

[Sunstroke]

The guy didn't say anything for days after he left. Embarrassed and pushed by his family he blames others for him being unable to handle the stress. We hear this everyday all across America and wonder why we are falling behind the rest of the world.

Wait, let me get this straight. The reason that we, as a nation, are "falling behind the rest of the world" is because, as a nation, we can't handle stress and subsequently blame others?

Just curious...what size foil hat are you wearing these days, CF?

[CF DolFan]

Wait, let me get this straight. The reason that we, as a nation, are "falling behind the rest of the world" is because, as a nation, we can't handle stress and subsequently blame others?

Just curious...what size foil hat are you wearing these days, CF?

No foil hat. Just pick up a newspaper or watch the news. Everyone who fails or gets caught doing something wrong is because of someone else. Their momma never told them they were special, they are poor, the bad teacher gave me a bad grade, the bus driver was mean to me and made me sit up front, the referee was bias towards me etc. 

What's worse is the people who support and enable those concepts instead of saying your mother never told you were special because you were abusing dogs doing sadistic things with your sisters dolls. You are poor because your sorry arse won't work The teacher gave you a bad grade because you didn't turn in your homework and obviously didn't study for your test. The bus driver wouldn't have bothered you if you had sat in seat instead of running up and down the isles punching people and you lost because your team made less plays than the other team.

We as a society spend much more effort in making excuses of why we can't or didn't than trying to overcome.  As long as it's someone elses fault we are ok sucking at whatever.

[Sunstroke]

^^^ Perhaps you should expand your own news-watching, because the situation you're describing is happening in other cultures as well, not just here in America.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Wait, let me get this straight. The reason that we, as a nation, are "falling behind the rest of the world" is because, as a nation, we can't handle stress and subsequently blame others?

Yup, that is the theory:

The problem isn't that there is too much bullying.  But that those being bullied are too weak and sensitive.

The problem isn't that racism still exists.  It is that minorities are too sensitive about racism.

The problem isn't that this country has country has greater income disparate than third world countries like Kenya.  The problem is that full time McDonald's workers expect handouts b/c they can't get by on minimum wage. 

[Landshark]

^^^^^^^

Who can get by on minimum wage besides teenagers who already have living expenses taken care of for them?

[Dave Gray]

CF, I don't mean anything by this statement at all, so please don't take offense...just trying to understand your perspective.

Did you pick on kids in high school?  Would people have looked back on you as a bully?

Were you bullied yourself, perhaps?

[Phishfan]

I'm not sure it applies to the Martin situation but I'm sure you guys can agree with CF in that there are plenty of instances where people in today's society do make excuses rather than just owning up to their own faults (again I'm not saying this applies in the Martin situation).