Philbin press conference.

[masterfins]

^^^^^^^

Who can get by on minimum wage besides teenagers who already have living expenses taken care of for them?

Um...Professor, I think he was using sarcasm. 

[CF DolFan]

CF, I don't mean anything by this statement at all, so please don't take offense...just trying to understand your perspective.

Did you pick on kids in high school?  Would people have looked back on you as a bully?

Were you bullied yourself, perhaps?

in your eyes I'd say yes and yes. I played sports and we screwed with each other constantly. We didn't walk the hallways picking on the debate team or anything. For instance, we held each other down and wiped "nut cheese" under a guys nose and he would return the gesture or something worse next time. While it's gross as hell it's a part of being in our core. If you couldn't handle it we wouldn't want you.

I bet if you asked the team they would want Ritchie back and not Martin.  Like Joe Rose said the NFL locker room isn't middle school or the teachers lounge and you can't expect it to run like that.  They have to develop deep trust and bonding with each other.  If you can't handle it it probably isn't for you.

[CF DolFan]

Yup, that is the theory:

The problem isn't that there is too much bullying.  But that those being bullied are too weak and sensitive.

The problem isn't that racism still exists.  It is that minorities are too sensitive about racism.

The problem isn't that this country has country has greater income disparate than third world countries like Kenya.  The problem is that full time McDonald's workers expect handouts b/c they can't get by on minimum wage. 

completely different scenarios. You can't run a locker room like a school or office. It more in line with the military. They train hard and do some god awful things together whether we like it or not.

[masterfins]

in your eyes I'd say yes and yes. I played sports and we screwed with each other constantly. We didn't walk the hallways picking on the debate team or anything. For instance, we held each other down and wiped "nut cheese" under a guys nose and he would return the gesture or something worse next time. While it's gross as hell it's a part of being in our core. If you couldn't handle it we wouldn't want you.

I bet if you asked the team they would want Ritchie back and not Martin.  Like Joe Rose said the NFL locker room isn't middle school or the teachers lounge and you can't expect it to run like that.  They have to develop deep trust and bonding with each other.  If you can't handle it it probably isn't for you.

It's becoming clear that Incognito went way to far, even for a "locker room society".  Other former players and coaches are coming out against Incognito's actions, and wondering why other teammates didn't step up.  However, when you have a big bully and a lack of any team hierarchy no one wants to step up to become the next target, or get labeled as the wuss.  With many teams needing O-lineman I can see Martin getting on a new team next year and doing well, but I don't see that for Incognito, not with his history.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

completely different scenarios. You can't run a locker room like a school or office. It more in line with the military. They train hard and do some god awful things together whether we like it or not.

So if a non-commissioned officer demanded that privates turn over a portion of their pay to him that would be okay?  Because that would be the equivalent of a team captain demanding that a rookie pay the "virgin tax." 

Could a non-commissioned officer (today, not in 1940) call a  private "n*****?"

[CF DolFan]

So if a non-commissioned officer demanded that privates turn over a portion of their pay to him that would be okay?  Because that would be the equivalent of a team captain demanding that a rookie pay the "virgin tax." 

Could a non-commissioned officer (today, not in 1940) call a  private "n*****?"

Yes. That's exactly what I was saying. 

Why even post if your only intention is to be a dick?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

It's becoming clear that Incognito went way to far, even for a "locker room society". 

There really are two issues from this story:

1) Incognito (and other Dolphins) went much further than the "normal" locker room hazing.

2) Even "normal" locker room hazing, is out of line with the rules of society.  

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Yes. That's exactly what I was saying. 

Why even post if your only intention is to be a dick?

You were the one who brought up military. 

I originally posted that what happened would not be acceptable any place I have worked.  You stated that such behavior is acceptable in blue collar and military settings.

I am disputing your claim. 

[CF DolFan]

I think we need to suspend every NFL player. Every time they call each other a cocksucker, n*****, faggot, pussy, lazy piece of shit, or whatever term of endearment they all use it violates some offense to someone.

[CF DolFan]

You were the one who brought up military. 

I originally posted that what happened would not be acceptable any place I have worked.  You stated that such behavior is acceptable in blue collar and military settings.

I am disputing your claim. 

I've never been in the military but I have numerous friends that have or are even currently serving. I would guess you do too. They are absolutely horrible to each other but let someone else screw with them and see what happens. Not unlike an NFL locker room.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I think we need to suspend every NFL player. Every time they call each other a cocksucker, n*****, faggot, pussy, lazy piece of shit, or whatever term of endearment they all use it violates some offense to someone.

Or they could just stop using such terms. 

Actually, I am okay with calling someone who isn't giving a 100% "a lazy piece of shit."   Calling someone a n***** on the other hand should not be tolerated.   

I've never been in the military but I have numerous friends that have or are even currently serving. I would guess you do too. They are absolutely horrible to each other but let someone else screw with them and see what happens. Not unlike an NFL locker room.

The military has some very specific bounds that can not be crossed.  Calling someone a n***** or exploiting money from them, crosses that bound and would not be tolerated. 

 

[CF DolFan]

How many of you that are complaining about bullying are also the ones complaining about the NFL getting to be so wimpy? Not ok with mental toughness but no boundaries on physicality?

[Spider-Dan]

CF, to cut to the chase here:

What exactly would you find an unacceptable level of bullying/intimidation in the locker room?  Do you believe such a thing is even possible?

I also asked you this before and you didn't respond: in your opinion, what should Martin have done?

[CF DolFan]

Or they could just stop using such terms. 

Actually, I am okay with calling someone who isn't giving a 100% "a lazy piece of shit."   Calling someone a n***** on the other hand should not be tolerated.   
 

The military has some very specific bounds that can not be crossed.  Calling someone a n***** or exploiting money from them, crosses that bound and would not be tolerated. 

 

yes but in the real world people call each other slang terms all the time. For instance I may call my Mexican friend wetback but he knows I'm not being spiteful. This is pretty common among different ethnicities and friendships. For anyone else to hear it they would think the two hated each other. Especially if it was written down and read back

[CF DolFan]

CF, to cut to the chase here:

What exactly would you find an unacceptable level of bullying/intimidation in the locker room?  Do you believe such a thing is even possible?

I also asked you this before and you didn't respond: in your opinion, what should Martin have done?

Martin should have quit a long time ago. NFL football isn't for him. These aren't my words but one of his "black" teammates and I agree. Regardless of Incognito he isn't cut out for this atmosphere and won't be. He comes from a different world altogether.

I don't think you upset the applecart just because one apple doesn't fit.