Coaches told Incognito to toughen Martin up

[MikeO]

Payton is a Superbowl winning head coach. Philbin is a second year coach with a losing record during those two years. You can't equate one with the other. -EK

Thank you for making my point. Winning cures all. If Miami wins 8 or 9 or more games he will stay. If he ends up with 4 or 5 or 6 losses maybe he is fired. Philbin will be judged based on his wins or losses not this!

[EKnight]

Thank you for making my point. Winning cures all. If Miami wins 8 or 9 or more games he will stay. If he ends up with 4 or 5 or 6 losses maybe he is fired. Philbin will be judged based on his wins or losses not this!

Winning does cure all. Finishing 8-8 or even 9-7 is not what I would consider "winning" when you started 3-0 and spent what $200 million in free agents? -EK

[MikeO]

Winning does cure all. Finishing 8-8 or even 9-7 is not what I would consider "winning" when you started 3-0 and spent what $200 million in free agents? -EK

In Miami they aren't going to fire a coach who goes 8-8 or 9-7 improved off the previous season. Not after the decade plus of losing they have had. Situation is different for all teams.

[EKnight]

Shit, I forgot you work in the front office and have an inside track on what they'll do. My bad. -EK

[MaineDolFan]

What we are talking about is management-ordered retaliation against a player who brought a legitimate concern to his superiors because that player elected not to attend a voluntary workout.  This is NFLPA, NLRB, enormous lawsuit and federal investigation territory.  No joke.

No, this ^^ is very true. 

Sorry, MikeO - the NFL does not exist and operate in a vacuum.  They are still an employer.  If it's proven out this was out of management-ordered retaliation?  This will get worse before it gets better. 

BECAUSE it's the NFL it will become a circus, too.  Like "congress will want hearings" circus and would be larger than bounty gate.  Officials on a team gave "open rights" to bully / terrify a player out of retaliation?  I can see the Anderson Cooper 360 reports now.

[MikeO]

No, this ^^ is very true. 

Sorry, MikeO - the NFL does not exist and operate in a vacuum.  They are still an employer.  If it's proven out this was out of management-ordered retaliation?  This will get worse before it gets better. 

BECAUSE it's the NFL it will become a circus, too.  Like "congress will want hearings" circus and would be larger than bounty gate.  Officials on a team gave "open rights" to bully / terrify a player out of retaliation?  I can see the Anderson Cooper 360 reports now.

I really don't think its gonna get that far. Bounty gate was trying to injury players. Nobody got injured here. Martin is still being paid and technically still on the roster.  Not saying it isn't bad but I don't think its as bad as some are making it out to be. Time will tell though and we will see who is right or wrong on this.

Congress isn't getting involved either. I think that's silly and the NFL will squash this before it ever gets that far. NFL won't let that happen.

[CF DolFan]

Who is the NFL going to punish ... themselves? They know what goes on.

[Phishfan]

I'll just say this, an order to toughen up Martin was probably OK. The guy is a bit soft (anyone remember complaining about him before all this broke out). That said, sending Incognito as the messenger was the mistake. The guy has a role of enforcer on the team but it is apparent he is a bit psychotic.

[Landshark]

No, this ^^ is very true. 

Sorry, MikeO - the NFL does not exist and operate in a vacuum.  They are still an employer.  If it's proven out this was out of management-ordered retaliation?  This will get worse before it gets better. 

BECAUSE it's the NFL it will become a circus, too.  Like "congress will want hearings" circus and would be larger than bounty gate.  Officials on a team gave "open rights" to bully / terrify a player out of retaliation?  I can see the Anderson Cooper 360 reports now.

I really don't think its gonna get that far. Bounty gate was trying to injury players. Nobody got injured here. Martin is still being paid and technically still on the roster.  Not saying it isn't bad but I don't think its as bad as some are making it out to be. Time will tell though and we will see who is right or wrong on this.

Congress isn't getting involved either. I think that's silly and the NFL will squash this before it ever gets that far. NFL won't let that happen.

Lets see how good the NFL is at squashing this.  They were able to successfully squash Spygate but I don't think periods are going to remain silent on this.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Thank you for making my point. Winning cures all. If Miami wins 8 or 9 or more games he will stay. If he ends up with 4 or 5 or 6 losses maybe he is fired. Philbin will be judged based on his wins or losses not this!

Having a winning season isn't enough.  When Bill Belichick's scandal broke he wasn't just a winning head coach, he was the best head coach in the league and far and away the best coach that New England ever had.

When Sean Payton's scandal came out he wasn't just a winning head coach, he was the best coach the Saints have ever had and holder of the AP coach of the year.  

He needs to be more than just a winning coach that has a win-loss record that matches Wannstedt.  He needs to be the second Dolphin coach to hold a Lombardi.  

[MikeO]

Time will tell who is right or wrong on this. But this isn't going to Congress and nobody is going to jail I would bet a large sum of money on that

[Dave Gray]

The NFL is not some club.  It is a government sanctioned monopoly with a union.

Spider is right.  If this is true, this is big problems for Philbin, depending on the timing.  This can cost the NFL a fortune potentially and Philbin will be the fallguy.

[MikeO]

He needs to be more than just a winning coach that has a win-loss record that matches Wannstedt.  He needs to be the second Dolphin coach to hold a Lombardi.  

That isn't going to happen "THIS SEASON", they aren't winning the Super Bowl this year. So you are saying he will be fired over this then. Am I understanding your stance?

[EKnight]

That's my stance exactly. -EK

[MaineDolFan]

I really don't think its gonna get that far. Bounty gate was trying to injury players. Nobody got injured here. Martin is still being paid and technically still on the roster.  Not saying it isn't bad but I don't think its as bad as some are making it out to be. Time will tell though and we will see who is right or wrong on this.

Congress isn't getting involved either. I think that's silly and the NFL will squash this before it ever gets that far. NFL won't let that happen.

Injuries are one thing.  I think you're grossly underestimating how "PC" this nation is.  Someone's feelings are hurt.  That's almost worse.  No, I'm not trying to sound flip.

We are a nation that doesn't bat an eye when a school bus flips over and 17 kids get killed, but if a dog were on board?  Oh boy...(IE, we have whacked priorities).