Ireland suggested that Martin confront Incognito physically

[Spider-Dan]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/06/sources-ireland-suggested-that-martin-confront-incognito-physically/

Excerpt:

Per multiple league sources, Dolphins G.M. Jeff Ireland received a call from one of Martin’s agent, Kenny Zuckerman, after Martin left the team on October 28. Zukerman complained to Ireland about the manner in which Incognito was treating Martin.

Ireland, according to the sources, suggested to Zuckerman that Martin physically confront Incognito. Ireland specifically mentioned that Martin should “punch” Incognito.

Note that Dolphins' management continued to feign ignorance for nearly a full week after this reportedly took place.

[Pappy13]

Ireland, according to the sources, suggested to Zuckerman that Martin physically confront Incognito. Ireland specifically mentioned that Martin should “punch” Incognito.

If this is true, I have no problem firing Ireland. He's a bigger idiot then I thought, but honestly this wouldn't surprise me. If this story was about Philbin it would shock me.

[Landshark]

This is actually great news.  It's the damning evidence that will force Mr. Ross to clean house at the end of the year.  We all know Philbin doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL head coach and that Ireland is a piece of shit GM.  But knowing Mr. Ross, he would've kept them on after this season and we would've had to suffer through several more years of being a sub .500 team if not for Bullygate.  Mr. Ross needs to sweep out the front office and coaching staff from top to bottom, then spend whatever it takes to hire the best GM and best coach out there.  

[Fau Teixeira]

This is actually great news.  It's the damning evidence that will force Mr. Ross to clean house at the end of the year.  We all know Philbin doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL head coach and that Ireland is a piece of shit GM.  But knowing Mr. Ross, he will keep them on after this season and we would've had to suffer through several more years of being a sub .500 team if not for Bullygate.  Mr. Ross needs to sweep out the front office and coaching staff from top to bottom, then spend whatever it takes to hire the best GM and best coach out there.  

I couldn't disagree more with your opinion, i think it's short sighted and naive.

Changing coaches every 3 years is what leads your team to be a bottom feeder. keep the GM, keep the coach .. give them 10 years .. then see where we stand.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Don't be surprised if your next head coach is from the CFL or Marc Trestman's staff.

 

[Brian Fein]

Changing coaches every 3 years is what leads your team to be a bottom feeder. keep the GM, keep the coach .. give them 10 years .. then see where we stand.

SOMEONE GETS IT!

Spread the word!

 We all know Philbin doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL head coach and that Ireland is a piece of shit GM.  

Actually, no, we DON'T ALL KNOW that.  You're the only one that thinks that...  And frankly, its moronic.

[Cathal]

His advice is good, he should have physically approached Incognito. It's what everyone thinks, he just had the guts to say it.

[Dave Gray]

His advice is good, he should have physically approached Incognito. It's what everyone thinks, he just had the guts to say it.

Perhaps, but you have to understand roles here.  Should the nerd rise up and sock the bully one time?  Sure...and if you're the parent or the friend, maybe you suggest that.  ...but the teacher can't suggest that.

It shows poor judgment on Ireland's part, if true.  ...though it's after the fact, so I don't think this is near as damning as if he'd, say, told this to Martin directly if he were making a complaint.

[CF DolFan]

I'd argue there are no nerds in the NFL locker room outside of a kicker. It's an Alpha male fraternity or they aren't reaching that level.

[Phishfan]

Martin by all accounts is not an alpha male. He went to private school, then Stanford (which us culturally much different than many of the other guys schools), and seemed out of place in the locker room (accounts are he was quiet and had trouble making eye contact at first). The guy really fits the nerd role pretty well.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

^^^^

CF and Phish posts are the crux of the issue.

Martin isn't an alpha male.  But he is a decent O-lineman.

Most of the players in an NFL locker room are Alpha males.

The issue is what do we do with the non-Alpha males who are physically capable of playing football (rare as they maybe) --- drive them out and keep the NFL culture as it is OR change the culture to one that accepts anyone who can help the team win games? 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Perhaps, but you have to understand roles here.  Should the nerd rise up and sock the bully one time?  Sure...and if you're the parent or the friend, maybe you suggest that.  ...but the teacher can't suggest that.

It shows poor judgment on Ireland's part, if true.  ...though it's after the fact, so I don't think this is near as damning as if he'd, say, told this to Martin directly if he were making a complaint.

Actually I would say a more accurate analogy would be....

Child leaves school without permission over being bullied at lunch (and possibly other times).  Parent calls the principal over the bullying hoping to workout a way for the child to return and be safe.  Rather than the principal telling the parent that he will crack down on the bullying, principal tells the parent that the kid should punch the bully in the mouth. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Best comment from the article....

My HR department told me to do the same about the co-worker who never re-fills the paper trays on the printer.

[Brian Fein]

Again, this is one-sided commentary relayed by Martin's agent, and likely taken out of context.  I'd like to hear the full conversation before making a judgment.  The only word in quotes in this statement is "punch".

[Spider-Dan]

Child leaves school without permission over being bullied at lunch (and possibly other times).  Parent calls the principal over the bullying hoping to workout a way for the child to return and be safe.  Rather than the principal telling the parent that he will crack down on the bullying, principal tells the parent that the kid should punch the bully in the mouth.

This is accurate in more ways than one: management is responsible for the culture in the locker room.

A point I've seen made is that asking Incognito to "toughen up" Martin is, in itself, a dereliction of duty by the coaching staff.  If Martin needs to be toughened up, that is what coaches are there for.  Why are they pushing their own responsibilities off on players?