Breaking News: Ireland/Philbin may not survive Bullygate

[Landshark]

ESPNs Adam Schefter is reporting that the Dolphins are likely to cut ties with Ireland and Philbin at the end of this season, regardless of the outcome

[EDGECRUSHER]

I am fine with firing Ireland, even if it's for the wrong reasons. Then again, I didn't really disagree with a lot of his moves this offseason, just maybe his drafting record.

As far as Philbin goes, I would rather fire the OC than him. You can't have a new coach every 2 years. If they fire him, bring in a proven winner like Cowher or don't bother.

[MikeO]

Cowher isn't coming back to coaching.

Would probably see a Bill Polian/Lovie Smith type combo come to Miami. Established guys with impeccable reputations. Ireland I see as toast and one of the fall guys for this. Still say if Philbin takes this team to the playoffs it will be tougher to get rid of him. Unless he did order players to make Martin tougher and the "code red" type stuff then he's gone no matter what

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

This isn't breaking news.  Adam Schefter speculating about something this board has been speculating about for three days isn't news. 

Ireland/Philbin may not survive Bullygate, then again they might.  That ain't news. 

BTW - My prediction:

Ireland gone even if the Dolphins win the superbowl. (which ain't happening)

Philibin - maybe if he can pull the locker room together and make the playoffs he stays, if he loses Monday he can start packing. 

[Pappy13]

This isn't breaking news.  Adam Schefter speculating about something this board has been speculating about for three days isn't news. 

Ireland/Philbin may not survive Bullygate, then again they might.  That ain't news. 

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[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Cowher isn't coming back to coaching.

Would probably see a Bill Polian/Lovie Smith type combo come to Miami. Established guys with impeccable reputations. Ireland I see as toast and one of the fall guys for this. Still say if Philbin takes this team to the playoffs it will be tougher to get rid of him. Unless he did order players to make Martin tougher and the "code red" type stuff then he's gone no matter what

I predict your next coach is a  coach with an establish record of zero tolerance for any type of hazing. 

If you are going to fire Philbin over bullygate you aren't going to hire a Mike Ditka to replace him.  (not that Ditka is trying to get back in, just using him as an example)

[MikeO]

I predict your next coach is a  coach with an establish record of zero tolerance for any type of hazing. 

If you are going to fire Philbin over bullygate you aren't going to hire a Mike Ditka to replace him.  (not that Ditka is trying to get back in, just using him as an example)

I think it will be a Lovie Smith type. Great reputation and someone who is respected in league circles.

Bigger question is who will the GM be. Does Ross turn to long-time friend Carl Peterson. Or does he go with Bill Polian. Or someone else

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/10/incognitos-refuses-to-talk-about-the-toughen-up-angle/

He talks, but pleads the 5th when it comes to if Philbin violated the CBA by ordering a code red in response to Martin missing a voluntary workout. 

Ted Wells isn't going to let him not answer the question. 

[MikeO]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/10/incognitos-refuses-to-talk-about-the-toughen-up-angle/

He talks, but pleads the 5th when it comes to if Philbin violated the CBA by ordering a code red in response to Martin missing a voluntary workout. 

Ted Wells isn't going to let him not answer the question. 

actually Wells can't force him to answer it. Not like Wells has a subpoena here or can make him answer it anyway with some threat that if he doesn't there is gonna be an "or else" type punishment. I think Richie will answer it because its in his best interest to answer it, but Wells really can't make him

[Landshark]

actually Wells can't force him to answer it. Not like Wells has a subpoena here or can make him answer it anyway with some threat that if he doesn't there is gonna be an "or else" type punishment. I think Richie will answer it because its in his best interest to answer it, but Wells really can't make him

Actually there may be a clause in NFL contracts requiring players to fully cooperate with any internal investigation. 

[MikeO]

Actually there may be a clause in NFL contracts requiring players to fully cooperate with any internal investigation. 

Ya can't force someone to answer a question he doesn't want to. This is a football investigation done by the NFL not a criminal one done by the Feds!  Not like Wells can find stuff and throw someone in jail if he wants.

[Brian Fein]

At this point, I am hoping Ireland gets fired so that LandShark and friends can find someone else to blame for everything.

Heaven forbid people should SUPPORT their team, rather than criticize.

[Phishfan]

Call the turk, give them their walking papers, and punch them in the motuh on the way out. 

[Spider-Dan]

Ya can't force someone to answer a question he doesn't want to.

Depends on your definition of force.

If Wells goes back to Goodell and says, "Here is my list of people who were obstructing my investigation" and Goodell says, "OK, these people now have 2-year suspensions without pay," no one has been forced to do anything, right?

No one forced Penn State employees to comply with Freeh's investigation but they damn sure did anyway.

[MikeO]

Depends on your definition of force.

If Wells goes back to Goodell and says, "Here is my list of people who were obstructing my investigation" and Goodell says, "OK, these people now have 2-year suspensions without pay," no one has been forced to do anything, right?

No one forced Penn State employees to comply with Freeh's investigation but they damn sure did anyway.

The Penn St investigation was criminal in nature. This one isn't. Second, Goodell can't give a player a 2 year suspension for NOT answering a question. The NFLPA will be all over that. Hell guys who have served hard time for real crimes have had lesser suspensions. I think this whole debate is silly because I think all players will answer all questions in the end, but I was just pointing out nobody can be forced.