Breaking News: Ireland/Philbin may not survive Bullygate

[MikeO]

Ireland is done! At the press conference that just ended Ross heaped praise on Philbin and hardly mentioned Ireland. Not to mention at EVERY Ross press conference Ireland is always standing right next to him, like 100% of the time. This one Ireland wasn't there and Garfinkel was right next to Ross.

[MikeO]

NFLPA President DeMaurice Smith just took a shot at Ireland in a statement. Ireland is done, he might not survive the year or the rest of this month. He is gonna be the fall guy in this. Ross keep heaping praise on Philbin in all media he is doing tonight. Clearly Ross is setting Ireland up to take the fall.

[Landshark]

Ireland is done! At the press conference that just ended Ross heaped praise on Philbin and hardly mentioned Ireland. Not to mention at EVERY Ross press conference Ireland is always standing right next to him, like 100% of the time. This one Ireland wasn't there and Garfinkel was right next to Ross.

NFLPA President DeMaurice Smith just took a shot at Ireland in a statement. Ireland is done, he might not survive the year or the rest of this month. He is gonna be the fall guy in this. Ross keep heaping praise on Philbin in all media he is doing tonight. Clearly Ross is setting Ireland up to take the fall.

And he likely should be.  Regardless of what really happened between Martin and Incognito, Ireland brought both these clowns in and then suggested to Martin that he punch Incognito.  His track record for drafts and free agents is average at best, he is extremely unprofessional and has a bad reputation around the league. He needs to go.

[Spider-Dan]

The Penn St investigation was criminal in nature.

No, it was not.  Freeh is not a detective, and his report was commissioned for the NCAA, who is not law enforcement.

Second, Goodell can't give a player a 2 year suspension for NOT answering a question.

I believe the term is "violation of personal conduct policy."  Goodell doesn't need an admission from Incognito; he can get enough information from other sources to drop the hammer when he likes.

Hell guys who have served hard time for real crimes have had lesser suspensions.

Donte Stallworth got a shorter suspension than Gregg Williams.  Goodell's priority is the integrity of the league.

[Heatles]

If Ireland is gone then there's at least one good thing that comes out of this mess...

[CF DolFan]

I've changed my mind on this. I didn't think Philbin should be fired and have supported him all the way. Even after the Tampa game I didn't budge but I was listening to the radio yesterday and it made me change my mind.

Most of us don't like Saban because he bailed on us but the truth is he was a good "coach".  When he spoke players listened. Those of us that had a chance to meet him and hear him talk found him motivational. The kind of guy who could tell you to run through a wall and make you believe you could do it. I had a high school coach like that. Bill Bellichick is like that and so is Tony Dungy but in a friendlier package. That's the coach we need. Someone who not only teaches but inspires his players. As much as I like Joe he isn't that guy.

BTW Ireland is a given.

[hordman]

I've changed my mind on this. I didn't think Philbin should be fired and have supported him all the way. Even after the Tampa game I didn't budge but I was listening to the radio yesterday and it made me change my mind.

Most of us don't like Saban because he bailed on us but the truth is he was a good "coach".  When he spoke players listened. Those of us that had a chance to meet him and hear him talk found him motivational. The kind of guy who could tell you to run through a wall and make you believe you could do it. I had a high school coach like that. Bill Bellichick is like that and so is Tony Dungy but in a friendlier package. That's the coach we need. Someone who not only teaches but inspires his players. As much as I like Joe he isn't that guy.

BTW Ireland is a given.

My wife says he looks like a high school principal.  I played the locker room speech he gave after the IND win, very uninspiring, almost scripted.  He looked down at a scrap piece of paper he had in his hand, as if to remember what just happened in the game he played not more than 20 minutes ago.  The speech didn't move me and it didn't seem to move the players IMO.  He talked very robotic and nothing seemed to come from the heart. 

She watched it and then said "Get rid of him".  LOL

[Landshark]

Bill Polian and Tony Dungy won a Super Bowl in Indy.  I'd love to have them both in Miami

[Jim Gray]

I'm on the fence about Philbin.  Until the past few days, I felt he should be given another year.  Now I'm not so sure.  I won't be surprised or upset if he stays or if he goes.   

My support for Philbin was based on what I saw the first 3 weeks of the season.  Not just the wins, but how we won.   Even with our deficiencies, the team played very smart and disciplined football.  I don't believe that was smoke and mirrors, but I don't know why the wheels seemed to come off after the New Orleans game.  I'd like to think that Philbin could recapture that, but maybe too much has happened. 

[Pappy13]

My wife says he looks like a high school principal.  I played the locker room speech he gave after the IND win, very uninspiring, almost scripted.  He looked down at a scrap piece of paper he had in his hand, as if to remember what just happened in the game he played not more than 20 minutes ago.  The speech didn't move me and it didn't seem to move the players IMO.  He talked very robotic and nothing seemed to come from the heart. 

She watched it and then said "Get rid of him".  LOL

Yeah because Tom Landry was such a great motivator. Shula too for that matter. Has Belicheck ever said anything inspirational? What the Shula, Landry and Belicheck teams all have in common however were great leaders on the field. This is all that Philbin is lacking, some great players. He's a good head coach, he just needs more players. I'd like to see him stay around a few more years and give him a chance to really do something.

I'm all for getting rid of Ireland though. He's had plenty of chances and while I don't think he's been as bad as most think he's been, he sure as heck hasn't been good enough to keep him around. And I don't buy into the theory that if you fire the GM you have to bring in a new head coach. No you don't. A GM's job is to find players, not find the right coach. If the GM thinks he has to pick his own head coach, I don't want him. A good GM believes that he can find the right players no matter who the coach is.

[Tenshot13]

I don't want to get rid of either, at least until next year.  Philbin reminds me a lot of Dungy and I think Ireland has made some good decisions that have been overshadowed by the while Dez Bryant thing, not having full control under Parcells and this whole bullygate thing.  I think each deserves one more year after this one to prove they should keep their jobs. 

I want to pose a question:  if we make it into the playoffs, do you still want to get rid of one or the other, or both?  What if we get in and win a game?

[Sunstroke]

I'm ready to see Ireland go. I have been unimpressed with his player evaluation skills since day one on the job.

[CF DolFan]

Yeah because Tom Landry was such a great motivator. Shula too for that matter. Has Belicheck ever said anything inspirational? What the Shula, Landry and Belicheck teams all have in common however were great leaders on the field. This is all that Philbin is lacking, some great players. He's a good head coach, he just needs more players. I'd like to see him stay around a few more years and give him a chance to really do something.

You really don't think these guys were motivators ... much less Shula?  I don't think you grasp the concept of what motivates people.  It isn't a Tony Robbins "you can do it" mentality.

Shula was very disciplined who was known to hold grueling, punishing practices that focused on perfect execution and technique. He sometimes made them practice 4 times a day without water and yet people like Bob Griese said ... " I was ready to follow him into battle anywhere". If he wasn't able to motivate them they would have quit on him.   

[EKnight]

This is a little short-sighted. Generationally, there's such a gap between Griese and most current players, there really can't be a comparison drawn. What motivated people in the 1970s doesn't motivate people 40 years later. The things that Bob Knight used to "motivate" his players early in his career got him fired later in it. -EK

[Phishfan]

Thanks CF. Seeing a Dolphin fan consider Shula a non-motivator blew my mind.