Should Incognito Be Reinstated?

[Jim Gray]

With the latest information (texts from Martin, player comments, Incognito interview), the "black and white" case of bullying is no longer so clear. 

Maybe Incognito is the bad guy, maybe not.  Given there is now some level of uncertainty, is it right to suspend Incognito before the investigation is complete?  Should Incognito be reinstated?

[Landshark]

He's not out of the woods yet. If he is cleared, he should be reinstated with back pay.

[Sunstroke]

Has there actually been "latest information," or have we just had more "latest opinions," "latest conjectures" and "latest he said/he said?"

[Brian Fein]

^^ If you're making that distinction, then there is NO information whatsoever on this case thus far.

[MikeO]

His days with the Dolphins are over. It goes beyond the Martin incident. He gives the franchise a bad name and nobody believes the fact that he has "changed his ways" in recent years. Sorta like when Ross said if he couldn't trade Brandon Marshall he was just going to release him cause he didn't want Brandon and his off the field antics/arrests associated with his team any longer. Same here, even if Richie gets cleared in this Martin thing, the organization just doesn't want him around anymore. Ross is said to be upset over this whole thing so there is no way Richie is coming back to the field for the Fins.

The money issue will work itself out, I don't think Miami will want to fight over money and keep this story in the headlines. If paying him back pay or whatever makes this go away they just will cut the check.

[Spider-Dan]

MikeO, Marshall's situation was different.  The (current) coaching staff actually likes Incognito, as evidenced by their decision to go to him with the Code Red.  Cutting Incognito after instructing him to toughen up Martin would not go over well with players, current and prospective.

Of course, this ownership/front office does not appear to give a damn about their reputation in the league, so there is that.

[MikeO]

MikeO, Marshall's situation was different.  The (current) coaching staff actually likes Incognito, as evidenced by their decision to go to him with the Code Red.  Cutting Incognito after instructing him to toughen up Martin would not go over well with players, current and prospective.

Oh please you don't know that this took place with the "code red". Until that's a fact or comes out in the Wells investigation that is just making stuff up and passing it off as a fact to back up an argument.

The situation is different of course, but the ultimate conclusion may very well be that the Fins (or better yet the owner) won't want to be associated with a player any longer due to his actions OFF THE FIELD

[Landshark]

Oh please you don't know that this took place with the "code red". Until that's a fact or comes out in the Wells investigation that is just making stuff up and passing it off as a fact to back up an argument.

The situation is different of course, but the ultimate conclusion may very well be that the Fins (or better yet the owner) won't want to be associated with a player any longer due to his actions OFF THE FIELD

We don't know if the Code Aqua took place.  We also don't knowif it didn't take place.  Like I said in another thread, the texts from Martin don't totally exonerate Incognito.  We still don't know about the Code Aqua and there's also the matter of his off field incidents and then the team having him talk about civilized behavior.

[AZ Fins Fan 55]

He should be reinstated if this comes out as just boys being boys which most of the reports seem to be leading to currently.

[MikeO]

We don't know if the Code Aqua took place.  We also don't knowif it didn't take place. 

exactly so acting like it happened and believing it as fact is incorrect. Thats my point

[Brian Fein]

We don't know if the Code Aqua took place.  We also don't knowif it didn't take place.  Like I said in another thread, the texts from Martin don't totally exonerate Incognito.  We still don't know about the Code Aqua and there's also the matter of his off field incidents and then the team having him talk about civilized behavior.

Two things wrong with your statement:

1) Texts from Martin do completely exonerate Incognito.  Absolutely.  Shows that it wasn't one-sided as originally portrayed and that Martin himself participated in the activities he is supposedly complaining about.

2) Off the field incidents don't mean a damn thing regarding this particular case.  They are intended to damage Incognito's character.  They are completely irrelevant to the facts of the case.

[Spider-Dan]

Oh please you don't know that this took place with the "code red". Until that's a fact or comes out in the Wells investigation that is just making stuff up and passing it off as a fact to back up an argument.

Virtually none of this stuff is directly sourced (except for the agent saying that he talked to Ireland), so I'm not sure why you accept other reports as factual enough but not the Code Red report.

[MikeO]

Virtually none of this stuff is directly sourced (except for the agent saying that he talked to Ireland), so I'm not sure why you accept other reports as factual enough but not the Code Red report.

Incognito did prove 1,142 texts to Glazer so that is hard evidence right there. No source, Glazer has the actually texts

[EKnight]

Two things wrong with your statement:

1) Texts from Martin do completely exonerate Incognito.  Absolutely.  Shows that it wasn't one-sided

These things are not mutually exclusive and certainly do not exonerate Incognito. There are degrees of maliciousness involved here. It's not as black and white as you're making it. If it were, there would be no going forward with the investigation at this point. -EK

[Jim Gray]

It surprises me that a player can be suspended so easily by the team.  If the league suspends you for behavior, drugs or rules violations, the players union can usually keep the player on the field until appeals are heard.  

Given this system in the NFL, the current suspension seems unfair to Incognito.  Is there a difference between the team suspending you and the league suspending you?  Where is the NFLPA on this?