Tannehill

[Pappy13]

Then this is easier- one more year to turn the corner. As bad as the OLine is, RT has had chances and doesn't make the throws he needs to. Look at the game vs. Carolina- Wallace had to adjust to make the TD catch because he was badly under thrown. Same thing on the 57 yarder- if he would have hit Wallace in stride or led him, that's a TD. Happened again in the second half for an incompletion. A "franchise" QB can't consistently underthrow his receivers when he's given time to pass- that's on him, not the line. -EK

There's not a QB in the league who doesn't miss open receivers from time to time. It's not the throws a QB misses that really defines him, it's the ones he does make that defines him and RT makes plenty of really nice throws. Now if you are completely biased against him from the start, you won't see any of the good throws he makes you'll completely focus on the ones he misses which is exactly what you do. The only way you'll ever admit that RT is pretty good, he'll be the second coming of Marino by that time.

[MikeO]

Some of you guys give up on players so fast. Look at what is going on in Washington. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/26/shanahan-rg3s-maturation-as-a-qb-will-come-but-it-takes-time/

“We had a dual threat. Now that threat is not quite there, as strong as it was a year ago. But now we go to a different direction, with our play action, we still run some of the zone reads, so that will come. That maturity will come. But it doesn’t happen overnight. There’s a growing period. If you take a look at so many of these quarterbacks, all the Hall of Fame quarterbacks, they’ve had much tougher periods than we’ve gone through so far. It doesn’t happen overnight, but he’s got all the ability in the world to make that big jump, and you just have to be patient.”

You have the head coach there saying the obvious,  it takes time to develop and it doesn't happen overnight. I highly doubt the Redskins are gonna give RGIII "just one more year or else kick him to the curb and replace him"....lol. San Diego gave up on Drew Brees real quick and went with Phillip Rivers....how did that work out for them??

Tannehill isn't the problem!! He is having a very good year. And when the season is over he might have a better year stats wise than both Luck and RGIII....and some of you are thinking about replacing him? It's lunacy!! It really is. Tannehill isn't gong anywhere. Not even up for debate, might as well move on to another issue because this one is foolish and a total waste of time.

[Cathal]

Tannehill is by no means the problem. Give that man an O-Line and a running game then judge him. In my opinion, he's done fantastic. Of course I wish he wouldn't miss some key throws to Wallace and run a little bit more but he is not the problem.

[EKnight]

Tannehill isn't the problem!! He is having a very good year. And when the season is over he might have a better year stats wise than both Luck and RGIII....and some of you are thinking about replacing him? It's lunacy!! It really is. Tannehill isn't gong anywhere. Not even up for debate, might as well move on to another issue because this one is foolish and a total waste of time.

You've mentioned this several times as if it's some coup de grace for your stance on Tannehill. It's a pointless argument though, because it's neither accurate nor meaningful. There's ZERO chance he has better stats than Luck, so just quit with that already. As for RG3, Tannehill has fewer passing yards and one more touchdown AND interception. So, you're going to hang your hat on him having a better year than a guy who came off of a career changing injury and clearly has regressed since last year? That's supposed to be enough reason to age faith in him? What about the two other second year QBs and 20 other guys who are having better years than RT? How many years do you give a first round pick finishing in the bottom third of the league as a QB before you say, "oops."? -EK

[MikeO]

You've mentioned this several times as if it's some coup de grace for your stance on Tannehill. It's a pointless argument though, because it's neither accurate nor meaningful. There's ZERO chance he has better stats than Luck, so just quit with that already. As for RG3, Tannehill has fewer passing yards and one more touchdown AND interception. So, you're going to hang your hat on him having a better year than a guy who came off of a career changing injury and clearly has regressed since last year? That's supposed to be enough reason to age faith in him? What about the two other second year QBs and 20 other guys who are having better years than RT? How many years do you give a first round pick finishing in the bottom third of the league as a QB before you say, "oops."? -EK

You are so lost on this issue its comical.

Tannehill already has more yards and a higher completion % than Luck, averages more yards per game than Luck. And they have equal TD's....but there is "NO CHANCE" with a month to go he can have a better year stats wise when all is said and done....lol, uh ok He also has better numbers than Colin Kappernick as well (compl %, yards, TD's). And mind you Tannehill has been sacked over 20+ more times than any of these guys and does it behind a god awful o-line!

Tannehill a 1st round pick with his level of play this far gets more than 2 or 3 MORE years. He has done nothing to make you think he shouldn't be the QB of this team for the immediate future going forward.  By your logic if Miami is ready to bail on Tannehill then SF, Indy, and Wash should be ready to bail on their young QB's as well.

[suck for luck]

I could be wrong but hasn't Cam struggled a bit thus far in his career. If so, that makes this all the more comical.

[MikeO]

I could be wrong but hasn't Cam struggled a bit thus far in his career. If so, that makes this all the more comical.

His 2012 was nothing to write home about, completion % under 60%, 19/12 TD-INT ratio, guess Carolina should have given up on him after last year...oh wait, nevermind! lol

[EKnight]

Stellar cherry picking there. He also has more INTs than Luck, more fumbles, a lower QB rating, fewer total TDs and (here's the real laugher) fewer rushing yards and rushing TDs than Luck and he's supposed to be some running threat as a converted WR.

You're trying to compare a guy with fewer total TDs, over twice as many turnovers, and a  lower QBR, and somehow twisting and cherry picking to suit your bias. Unless they start giving an award for turning the ball over, RT isn't going to be statistically better than Luck. No way, no how.

Re. Cam, like it or not, in terms of stats and production he has been on an all-time pace to start his career- Second player in NFL history with 7,500+ pass yards and 40+ pass TDs in first two seasons, joining Peyton Manning (don't remind Mike of this, he still thinks Manning stunk his rookie year); Second most combined passing & rushing yards through his first 37 starts in NFL history; first player in NFL history with 50 passing TDs and 25 Rushing TDs in his first three seasons; first player with 10,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards in his first three seasons. (From his wiki entry). -EK

[EKnight]

His 2012 was nothing to write home about, completion % under 60%, 19/12 TD-INT ratio, guess Carolina should have given up on him after last year...oh wait, nevermind! lol

Easy to leave out his 740 rushing yards and 8 TDs on the ground. I already post his first year stats. They're either the all time best or top two ever for a start to a career. You really have no leg to stand on. -EK

[MikeO]

You really have no leg to stand on. -EK

No you really come off looking silly trying to still continue with the "Tannehill is a Bust" argument and not just admit you were wrong. You called him a bust at HALFTIME Week 1 of his 1st game ever and have been trying to dig out of that hole you made for yourself with a silly and laughable opinion. Now over a year later you are at the opinion of ...."well give him a 3rd year and then maybe cut him loose"......just admit you were wrong and move on. He isn't a bust. He isn't the next Jamarcus Russell. He is a starting QB in this league for many more years to come

I am sure the Colts drafted Luck #1 overall to run the ball and those 262 rushing yards he has makes Jim Irsay excited and booking hotels in NYC for February  . Comparing his rushing yards to ya know...all of his passing numbers (TD's, completion %, yards..etc) which Tannehill is equal to him or beats him on this year (minus INT's) is smart 

Good luck trying to keep pushing Tannehill is a BUST argument...lol.

[EKnight]

Whoa- don't put words in my mouth. I didn't call him a bust at the beginning of the season. I said he would be a bust BEFORE he was drafted because of how high he was being scouted. He isn't a first round talent at all, let alone top 10.

I also didn't say I would give him a third year. That's why I inserted Dave's quote. He asked how long you guys should give him, not me. I wouldn't have given him any time because I wouldn't have drafted him. If he's there though, and you've drunk the Kool-Aid thus far, might as well let him finish his rookie contract.

Finally, yes, you have to include Luck and RTs rushing totals, especially since the Tannehill was supposed to be some sort of running threat coming out. Look at ALL the stats, not just the ones that back your POV. -EK

[EKnight]

Back on topic- if you're a Phins fan, go back and review his scouting report out of A&M. Look at his weaknesses and honestly ask yourself if he's improved enough in a year and a half to keep him long term. Some of the things that were pointed out were tipped balls, underthrown balls if he's trying to put air under them, struggles reading coverage and stares down receivers, and takes unnecessary hits downfield/needs to learn to slide.

Now, you guys watch him more than I do. Has he markedly improved enough in these areas to warrant making him "the guy" with another year under his belt, or does he need to work on them more to earn an extension? -EK

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Has he markedly improved enough in these areas to warrant making him "the guy" with another year under his belt, or does he need to work on them more to earn an extension? -EK

He is signed thru 2015.

Has her shown enough to get a contract extension at this point?  NO.

That doesn't mean that the Dolphin's should be drafting his replacement and cutting him either.

[EKnight]

Thought rookie contracts were three years?

Even so, if he's the same player at the end of year 3 that he is this year, I say they should look for someone else.

Edit- I know why I thought that. His rookie deal gives Miami an "out" to cut him after three years a save almost $1.5 million. I was under the impression then, and still am now, that that's what should be done, lol.

Interestingly, ESPN has an article up right now that points out, among other things, RT isn't a rookie anymore and if the team is going to make a playoff push, it's up to Tannehill to improve his play and get them there. -EK

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Thought rookie contracts were three years?

You thought wrong.

For rookies drafted in the first round their contract shall be four years with a Club option for a fifth year; for rookies drafted in rounds 2-7, their contract shall be four years, and undrafted rookies shall receive a three year deal.