Tannehill

[fyo]

That doesn't mean that the Dolphin's should be drafting his replacement and cutting him either.

Unless you have Manning or Brady in their 20s, it's ALWAYS time to start looking for a replacement.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Unless you have Manning or Brady in their 20s, it's ALWAYS time to start looking for a replacement.

So cut Tannehill, uses your second and third round draft pick to trade up and draft the best available QB, while leaving your o-line as is? 

I am not suggesting the Dolphins shouldn't grab a promising looking project in the 4th round that might replace Tannehill at some point.  But it is too early to invest an early draft pick.  Use the limited resources (draft picks, FA $$) on getting him a better oline, and then decide if he is worth keeping or not. 

[fyo]

So cut Tannehill, uses your second and third round draft pick to trade up and draft the best available QB, while leaving your o-line as is? 

I never said cut.

But it is too early to invest an early draft pick.  Use the limited resources (draft picks, FA $$) on getting him a better oline, and then decide if he is worth keeping or not.

And this is where I disagree. If you're in a position to grab a potentially great quarterback in the first round, I think you need to seriously consider it (unless you have a great quarterback in his prime).

The quarterback position is so incredibly important in the NFL that "staying put" on it while building the rest of the team just isn't viable anymore.

[Sunstroke]

^^^ I can appreciate the valuing of a QB, but in this case, you have a QB that has looked "pretty good" while having literally zero offensive support. Before I spend another first round pick on a new QB, I spend it on a stud O-lineman, or some "can't miss" playmaking RB/WR. Before I determine that this QB isn't "the guy" for this team, I at least want to put a team around him and see for sure.

[EKnight]

They have had and let go two "can't miss" RB/WR's. One is in Chicago following up his best season at 1500+ yards and 11 TDs; the other is already over 1000 total yards from scrimmage in Detroit. The people in charge of player personel decided that what they have currently are better players or they wouldn't have let those two walk. RT doesn't get a pass on not having skilled position players when the above is the case and they also added Wallace. The offensive line is a mess, and I totally agree with that, but the organization put the players around him they felt were best. If you're going to spend a first round pick on a WR or RB to replace the "can't miss" guys you already have, it makes just as much sense to spend it on a QB. -EK

[Spider-Dan]

So you're saying that the fact that Ireland traded away Marshall before Tannehill arrived and that Ireland chose not to re-sign Bush means "RT doesn't get a pass on not having skilled position players"?  Is Tannehill one of the rarely seen QB/GMs?

[MikeO]

  Is Tannehill one of the rarely seen QB/GMs?

Tannehill also is in charge of the Obamacare Website if you haven't heard!

[Pappy13]

Tannehill also is in charge of the Obamacare Website if you haven't heard!

LOL. Good one.

[EKnight]

So you're saying that the fact that Ireland traded away Marshall before Tannehill arrived and that Ireland chose not to re-sign Bush means "RT doesn't get a pass on not having skilled position players"?  Is Tannehill one of the rarely seen QB/GMs?

Just for clarity, can you point me to the post I actually said these things in? If not how about stop putting words in my mouth to start yet another pointless Spider-logic argument. The de facto drafting strategy should indicate to anyone with a rational thought in their head, that you don't pass up on Eddie Lacey, Tavon Austin, Kenbrell Thompkins, even Keenan Allen or Terrance Williams if you are certain you have the right players at WR/RB already in an offensive minded league. Instead, they move up to draft a player who hasn't done ANYTHING all year, and don't take a RB or WR at all in the entire draft. If that doesn't indicate that they felt like they already had the pieces in place for Tannehill to succeed, then nothing will. Don't make excuses for the kid. He has the talent around him in his RBs and WRs that Miami felt would be what he needed to be successful. Don't give me the "he needs better RBs and WRs" argument now. When they had the chance to get them, they let their great talents go, and put together a fairly forgettable draft class again this year. -EK

[MikeO]

Tannehill hates Kittens and Puppies!

[Sunstroke]

Tannehill's father was a puppy pimp, and his mother worked for his father. She was a kitten prostitute...

[el diablo]

Tannehill also said I could keep my insurance at a 15% discount. Or was that Aaron Rogers?

[Tenshot13]

Tannehill hates Kittens and Puppies!

People who hate puppies and kittens put them in a bag and throw them in a river. That explains why Tannehill has taken so many sacks this year.

[Spider-Dan]

Just for clarity, can you point me to the post I actually said these things in?

It's the post directly preceding mine.  Let me (more) directly quote the context:

I can appreciate the valuing of a QB, but in this case, you have a QB that has looked "pretty good" while having literally zero offensive support. Before I spend another first round pick on a new QB, I spend it on a stud O-lineman, or some "can't miss" playmaking RB/WR.

They have had and let go two "can't miss" RB/WR's. One is in Chicago following up his best season at 1500+ yards and 11 TDs; the other is already over 1000 total yards from scrimmage in Detroit. The people in charge of player personel decided that what they have currently are better players or they wouldn't have let those two walk. RT doesn't get a pass on not having skilled position players when the above is the case and they also added Wallace.

Pretty hard to miss a direct quote.  And while we're on the subject of Wallace, what's your opinion of him, again?

Free-agency flop?
Consistently bad even before the Dolphins got him?
50 yards a game and bad hands?

How can you say Tannehill sucks because he is doing nothing with the weapons he has, at the same time you are saying that Tannehill's weapons suck?  You seem to have a priority conflict.

So again: according to you, because Tannehill didn't do anything with Marshall (who left before RT was drafted, for reasons out of RT's control) and Bush (who was here during RT's rookie year when he had no receiving threat, put up similarly mediocre numbers both before and after RT's arrival, and left for reasons out of RT's control), this means that Tannehill is a failure.

I'm not quite sure where that circular logic begins or ends.

[EKnight]

That's funny, didn't see anywhere where I said Tannehill was a GM/QB.

So you're wrong.

Re. Wallace, again you're putting words in my mouth to fit your argument. It's completely logical for me to assert that Wallace was a free agent flop and that the Dolphins surrounded  Tannehill with players they believed to be capable. These two points are not mutually exclusive.

So again, let's recap since you- as always- would rather argue than actually read what's on the page: Tannehill was given the weapons that the team felt like were best to help him succeed at RB/WR. I did not agree with those choices, but that doesn't detract from the fact that the team believed they were the right players for the position (as validated by the fact that they let other players go and made no effort to draft a RB or WR). At this point, whether I said Wallace and Miller were never going to be better than their predecessors or not doesn't matter- the Dolphins felt that they were better, and the members of the board and the fans in general loved the Wallace signing and had massive expectations for Miller. If they were good enough for the team to choose and good enough for the fans when the season started, they should be good enough now. -EK