Tannehill

[Spider-Dan]

That's funny, didn't see anywhere where I said Tannehill was a GM/QB.

Not sure if you know how this whole English thing works, but the part I quoted from you was within the "quotation marks," followed by an original question based on that quote.

Re. Wallace, again you're putting words in my mouth to fit your argument. It's completely logical for me to assert that Wallace was a free agent flop and that the Dolphins surrounded  Tannehill with players they believed to be capable. These two points are not mutually exclusive.

...except that that's not the point being discussed.  The point that you responded to was that Tannehill cannot be fairly judged yet because he hasn't had weapons.  You then cited some decisions made by the front office and concluded that "RT doesn't get a pass on not having skilled position players" because of those personnel moves.  Why, exactly, does RT "not get a pass" because of decisions he had no part in?

Tannehill was given the weapons that the team felt like were best to help him succeed at RB/WR. I did not agree with those choices, but that doesn't detract from the fact that the team believed they were the right players for the position (as validated by the fact that they let other players go and made no effort to draft a RB or WR).

This has absolutely nothing to do with the point that Tannehill cannot be fairly evaluated until he has a competent cast around him, unless you assign blame to him for not having a competent cast (i.e. QB/GM).

[EKnight]

That's fine. You see it from your POV and I'll see it from mine. Hate to break it to you, but you're not always right. Your arrogance is painted wonderfully by your inability to admit when you're wrong (remember the little jabs you were taking at me when I said TB would get its first win vs. Miami? You got mighty silent after the game) or acknowledge that there can be a POV other than your own (as in this thread). At the end of the day, it doesn't matter enough to me to keep arguing with you. Your team still sucks; inevitably you'll continue making excuses for why RT is not at fault for being in the bottom third of the league in almost every QB metric, and in another couple of years you can blindly defend his replacement in the same manner. -EK

[Spider-Dan]

Hey EKnight, remember a year ago when you used to (claim to) be a Dolphins fan?  It's incredibly hilarious for you to try to throw around statements like "your team still sucks" to people who didn't just jump over to another team because they got bored.  Hold on, let me become a Seahawks fan really quick and then we can talk about how much better my team is than your team!

Almost as comical is your attempt to preen over one of your robotic weekly predictions of a Dolphins loss, complete with an accusation of "mysterious silence."  This coming from the person who stops posting here altogether any time Miami puts together a win streak.  High comedy.

[EKnight]

any time Miami puts together a win streak. 

Wake me when this shit happens.


Re. "Your team" and "my team," I haven't cheered for Miami for years, (don't you read MikeO's posts? He figured that out long ago), and have been going to Panthers games since Kerry Collins was their starter. Why do you think I kept pulling for Matt Moore to stay the starter in Miami? I get that of all the teams to lose to, losing to the team I like is a bitter pill to swallow, but it's not like I arbitrarily or suddenly became a Panthers fan before this year. Nothing at all like your suggestion of becoming a Seattle fan- it isn't like I chose a team with a playoff run or even a hot start. Carolina started 0-3. Maybe that's why you're so grouchy. That 3-0 Miami start means exactly squat right now and it's tough to imagine that they may miss the playoffs since they've gone 2-6 since then.

The bottom line is that this thread was about how long to give RT. If I was in Miami management, I'd say one more year. They gave him the deep threat receiver he needed. They set him up at RB with a player younger, faster, and more durable than Bush. He still isn't getting it done. And while he is getting sacked at a record pace, it's funny to me that Andrew Luck is the most hit QB in the league- not Tannehill, but Lick is sacked LESS. Why? Luck is good enough to get rid of the ball before he's sacked; Tannehill isn't. Period. Any further talk of comparing their stats is ludicrous. Luck is playoff bound in spite of his bad OLine and losing an All-Pro WR. Tannehill is likely going to miss the playoffs and has failed to get production out of anyone else on his offense- the same guys that the team and you all were in love with in the offseason. -EK

[dolfan13]

this is the case study on why ireland needs to get canned pronto...

u make a huge investment in a young, inexperienced, raw qb and you don't do everything you possibly can to ensure he can be successful.

it is the myopic nature of this franchise since shula left. everyone looking out for the short term, save their ass, instead of looking at the long term. upon handing in the draft card for tanny at #8, ireland should've maniacally focused on drafting skill players on OFFENSE.

build up the offense through the draft to the detriment of the defense at least in the short term. these first 2 years should have been nothing but building the offense. yes we would currently have a terrible defense, and probably less wins, but who cares. objective number 1 should've been doing everything possible to ensure the offense (i.e. tanny) had everything needed to be really good.

instead, ireland felt he could do both. overpay linebackers, draft a luxury de high, draft corners high... he felt having a good defense on paper could get him enough wins to save his ass. ended up having a thin team with no depth that fell apart once injuries hit them.

[MikeO]

Now, you guys watch him more than I do. Has he markedly improved enough in these areas to warrant making him "the guy" with another year under his belt, or does he need to work on them more to earn an extension? -EK

This line is hilarious. You claim not to watch him as much as us, but you have been here for over 2 years telling us we are all wrong about him. And how much he sucks. Since you don't watch him as much as us, you have some pretty strong (and silly) opinions about the guy!

More EK comedy gold!

[fyo]

Why is it that all threads turn into a hatefest by EK, fueled by pretty much everyone else?

What happened to "don't feed the troll"?

[MikeO]

instead, ireland felt he could do both. overpay linebackers, draft a luxury de high, draft corners high... he felt having a good defense on paper could get him enough wins to save his ass. ended up having a thin team with no depth that fell apart once injuries hit them.

Well Miami didn't overpay for Ellerbee he has been outstanding this year. Wheeler gets a raw deal in my opinion but if you felt they overpaid, maybe so. Not worth having that argument again. Bottom line...Fins still have $20+ mill in cap space and if Irealnd was trying to save his job, he would have used ALL OF THAT UP last offseason, not save it for THIS offseason. You may disagree with who Irealand paid, but he was smart in how he spent the money in that he kept Miami in very good salary cap status. Ireland could have overpaid for Cook and others and really gone for broke. But he didn't.

So this notion Ireland spent all this money to save his job, is just false. He didn't spend ALL of the money that was allotted to him. He saved a lot of it with the notion he was here for more than just 1 year.  That's where some fans need to take a step back and look at the big picture. It's easy to say..."Ireland spent a ton of money to save his job".....well no. He spent a ton of money because he had a ton of cap space. And he saved a bunch of cap space because he believed he would be here beyond this season, which until he is fired he still might be.

[Stinger24]

Why is it that all threads turn into a hatefest by EK, fueled by pretty much everyone else?

What happened to "don't feed the troll"?

This is a very good question. And I wish it would stop makes this board almost unbearable.

[MikeO]

This is a very good question. And I wish it would stop makes this board almost unbearable.

Gotta remove the troll from the site. This is the attention and reaction he wants to get out of people.

[AZ Fins Fan 55]

Gotta remove the troll from the site. This is the attention and reaction he wants to get out of people.

Or be an adult and not add fuel to the fire in every thread!!!!!!! 

[Landshark]

Or be an adult and not add fuel to the fire in every thread!!!!!!! 

Bingo. This is spot on. 

[DZA]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYards/year/2013/seasontype/2



Well he is #10 so far.  Ahead of RG3 and Russel Wilson. Seattle is doing great while The Skins ae stinking it up

[CF DolFan]

If anyone is still complaining about Tannehill then they are just looking to complain. He definitely continues to not only improve his game, but others around him. That's exactly what you want in a QB. Dan Marino had much to do with not being sacked. Tannehill is getting better at doing that. This also means he is allowing people to get open. It also means it's making it easier to run etc. He keeps the team calm when things are going bad and can make the throws.

While I'm sure he will continue to make some mistakes I think he's proven he can learn from those mistakes.

[EKnight]

If anyone is still complaining about Tannehill then they are just looking to complain.

Very rose-colored of Phins fans. Just as easily, you could say, "if anyone is still ignoring his weekly bonehead plays and turnovers (like the pick six that nearly cost Miami the game- you can't a attempt that pass at your own 19), they're just ignoring the total picture about him." -EK