Tannehill

[MikeO]

Very rose-colored of Phins fans. Just as easily, you could say, "if anyone is still ignoring his weekly bonehead plays and turnovers (like the pick six that nearly cost Miami the game- you can't a attempt that pass at your own 19), they're just ignoring the total picture about him." -EK

Yep, because he's the only QB in NFL history to throw a pick-6   

Bottom line last year the Fins had 27 offensive touchdowns total. This year they have 28 TD's with 3 games left to play. WITH a horrible o-line this year taking into account. Tannehill is the main reason the offense has improved so much even with a crap o-line and Tannehill is still getting better! Trying to spin it any other way is foolish or shows a lack of football IQ

[Cathal]

EK... EK... sigh.

[MikeO]

Here are some numbers as to where Tannehill ranks:
Completions - 8th (300)

Attempts - 6th (484)

Yards - 8th (3,315)

Yards/game - 12th (255.0)

Touchdowns - Tied 10th with Foles (20)

Interceptions - 6th most (14)

First Downs - Tied 7th with Matt Ryan (170)

20+ yd plays - Tied 10th with Flacco, Ryan & Alex Smith (38)

40+ yd plays - Tied 6th with Roethlisberger and Stafford (10)

Tannehill is ahead of Luck in EVERY passing category except INT's, Luck has thrown less

Tannehill vs Wilson
Tannehill has 300 completions with 484 attempts/Wilson has 198 completions on 305 attempts. So Tanny has as many completions as Wilson has attempts.

Tanny has 3315 yards...Wilson has 2672 yards.

Tanny has 20 tds/14int....Wilson has 22/6

Tanny has 170 first downs...Wilson has 118.

Tanny has 38 completions of 20+ yards....Wilson has 41.

Tanny has 10 completions of 40+ yards...Wilson has 9

[EKnight]

Actually, no he isn't ahead of Luck in every category. WR turned QB mobile Tannehill has fewer rushing yards and rushing TDs than Luck, and while you're all giddy about all those ranks, you're blind if you don't realize that, yeah, of course he has more passing yards and completions than Luck or Wilson when he's attempted more passes than either of them. Duh!

Which brings me to the other category that Tannehill is behind both of them in, and it's sort of a big one to leave out when you're trying to claim how good your QB is. Tannehill is 24th in the league in QBR, behind Luck, Wilson, Foles, and 20 other guys. You're trying to spin that a QB with as many turnovers as TDs, only a .500 team, with a QBR in the bottom third of the league is a franchise player? Laughable.

But wait, wait, wait- it gets better! Why did I bring up Luck's better rushing numbers? Because he not only has a higher QBR and better rushing numbers, but he's doing that with a WORSE pass blocking offensive line than Tannehill's! How? How can that be? Tannehill is clearly the better player according to your stats! How is that possible?? Luck's been hit more than any QB in the league and yet he has fewer fumbles, fewer INTs, more yards and scores on the ground and a better overall rating. Doesn't make any sense to me! Unless... Wait. Ok this is going to sound crazy, but hear me out/ comparing Luck (and Wilson for that matter) to Tannehill is nuts! He's no where near those guys! Talk about "football IQ!" -EK

[CF DolFan]

Actually, no he isn't ahead of Luck in every category. WR turned QB mobile Tannehill has fewer rushing yards and rushing TDs than Luck, and while you're all giddy about all those ranks, you're blind if you don't realize that, yeah, of course he has more passing yards and completions than Luck or Wilson when he's attempted more passes than either of them. Duh!

Which brings me to the other category that Tannehill is behind both of them in, and it's sort of a big one to leave out when you're trying to claim how good your QB is. Tannehill is 24th in the league in QBR, behind Luck, Wilson, Foles, and 20 other guys. You're trying to spin that a QB with as many turnovers as TDs, only a .500 team, with a QBR in the bottom third of the league is a franchise player? Laughable.

But wait, wait, wait- it gets better! Why did I bring up Luck's better rushing numbers? Because he not only has a higher QBR and better rushing numbers, but he's doing that with a WORSE offensive line than Tannehill's! How? How can that be? Tannehill is clearly the better player according to your stats! How is that possible?? -EK

The better Tannehill gets the more you whine and complain. Seriously. Why do you come here if it's so miserable for you?

[EKnight]

It's not miserable, and I'm certainly not whining or complaining. You guys flat out ignore the things he does. Listening to some of you, you'd believe his numbers and play are better than Manning's this year. If you're going to point out his stellar play, be honest and point out that he nearly cost them the game Sunday. Point out that the offense with him at the helm is in the bottom third of the league, not coincidentally like his QBR. -EK

[MikeO]

Actually, no he isn't ahead of Luck in every category.

I said every PASSING category.  Learn to read!!!

[MikeO]

It's not miserable, and I'm certainly not whining or complaining.

you are pretty friggin miserable.  For a Panthers fan to troll a fins site and only show up after Fins losses and then be a wet blanket after Fins wins or go hide and not show up at all that=miserable!

[EKnight]

I said every PASSING category.  Learn to read!!!

Quarterback rating IS a passing category. It's the ultimate, all-encompassing category. So, maybe YOU should learn to read.

No matter how often you claim I don't post after a win, you're wrong. Take, for example, THIS WEEK. -EK

[Phishfan]

Just a friendly warning to our two resident back and forth club members. You are starting to tread on thin ice. Keep it on topic and cordial. I'm not quite ready to lock it up but this thread has the potential since it has just about run it's course other than bickering.

[fyo]

Quarterback rating IS a passing category. It's the ultimate, all-encompassing category. So, maybe YOU should learn to read.

Quarterback rating is a combination of multiple passing categories. As MikeO correctly noted, Tannehill is ahead of Luck in every one of those except interceptions.

When MikeO writes that and you respond by saying "Actually, no he isn't ahead of Luck in every category. WR turned QB mobile Tannehill has fewer rushing yards and rushing TDs than Luck", you come off as a complete TROLL. And that's using a very kind word.

[MikeO]

PFF QB Rankings this season up till this week...(just naming the guys that will interest a few on this board)

5. Wilson
8.  Brady
12. Tannehil
13. Kaepernick
16. Newton
18. RGIII
21. Luck

[Tenshot13]

2012: 3,294 yards 12 TD 13 INT 76.1 QBR
2013: 3,319 yards 20 TD 14 INT 80.0 QBR (3 games to go).

Looks like he is progressing to me. I don't see how you can argue that he sucks, especially if he continues to get better year after year.

[EDGECRUSHER]

I think some people got spoiled by the recent group of QB's that killed it as rookies. Most QB's take years to develop, just look at Drew Brees. They don't really have success immediately. They have their growing pains. RG3 and Luck are having them right now in a big way. Kaepernick too regressed, albeit not as much.

If Tanny can look better in his 2nd year, I am happy. It keeps getting mentioned but not being given the gravity it deserves: LOOK AT OUR O-LINE. IT'S F'N TERRIBLE. Tanny already set the franchise mark for sacks with 5 games left in the season. This isn't a little note worthy of an asterisk, it's a gigantic story that should be taken into account for everything.

[Pappy13]

Very rose-colored of Phins fans. Just as easily, you could say, "if anyone is still ignoring his weekly bonehead plays and turnovers (like the pick six that nearly cost Miami the game- you can't a attempt that pass at your own 19), they're just ignoring the total picture about him." -EK

This would be true if the top QB's in the league never did this, but there is Peyton Manning doing dumb things, Tom Brady making a bad decision, Phil Rivers, Aaron Rogers, Tony Romo (making a lot more of those bad decisions then Tannehill makes) etc etc etc. You are SO obsessed with the poor plays that Tannehill makes you can't see the big picture. The Dolphins won the Pitt game largely on the strength of Tannehill's arm, DESPITE the pick 6, that's what good QB's do. Where does that come into play? For you, it doesn't, for the fan who DOESN'T have an axe to grind with Tannehill, they are able to see the good AND the bad, not just the bad. But of course I have on rose-colored glasses, so what do I know. You being the Carolina fan can see things crystal clear.