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Question: What to do
Leave as is   -11 (55%)
Eliminate extra point kicks entirely   -1 (5%)
Follow the lead of the XFL   -0 (0%)
Move the line of scrimmage on extra point kicks to the 20-yard line.   -4 (20%)
Move the line of scrimmage for all extra points up to the 1-yard line   -1 (5%)
Require the player who scored the touchdown to kick the extra point   -2 (10%)
Bring back the drop kick.   -1 (5%)
Total Voters: 18

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« on: January 02, 2014, 10:54:20 am »

I agree with BB and MDS -- extra points which are automatic are pointless and boring. 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/belichick-thinks-extra-points-are-a-waste-of-time/

The article points out multiple ways to make them more interesting.  What do you think. 
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2014, 10:56:58 am »

I like the 1 yard line idea the best. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2014, 10:58:35 am »

With all the changes being made to the NFL lately, I think eliminating the extra point would be a mistake.  I like the way things are now, with the option to go for 2 if need be.
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2014, 10:59:21 am »

One suggestion in the comments was instead of a 2 pt conversion, make it a 3 pt conversion to encourage more teams to "go for it."  I like that.    
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2014, 11:39:17 am »

Just what we need. One more reason to criticize a coaching decision.
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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2014, 11:48:01 am »

If you were to move it to the 20, would you still allow 2 pt conversions from the 2?
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2014, 11:51:27 am »

If you were to move it to the 20, would you still allow 2 pt conversions from the 2?

That's what I would do. Would make the games in Nov and December more fun in bad weather. Long kick in bad weather or a 2 yard play for 2pts
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2014, 12:06:37 pm »


Leave as-is. The extra point system isn't broken, so why try to fix it?

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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2014, 12:24:23 pm »

Leave as-is. The extra point system isn't broken, so why try to fix it?


Because Bill Belicheck said so and Roger Goodell grabs his ankles for the Pats.
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2014, 12:29:27 pm »

Leave as-is. The extra point system isn't broken, so why try to fix it?



I tend to agree with BB that it is broken.  Why even do plays that are essentially automatic?  It's a waste of everyone's time.  The same is true with the new kickoff rule.
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2014, 02:43:31 pm »

If you were to move it to the 20, would you still allow 2 pt conversions from the 2?

That would be one option. 
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2014, 06:33:08 pm »

If you were to move it to the 20, would you still allow 2 pt conversions from the 2?

I think you need to move it further out. The improvement in kicking accuracy in the NFL has been borderline insane over the past 20 years and shows no sign of slowing.

Look at it another way. What do you want the percentage to be? 99%? 95%? 90%? Lower?

Set the percentage and then look at the distances you're talking about.

In the NFL this year there were 253 field goal attempts < 30 yards. 6 were missed (a third of those by Jay Feely). That's good for 97.6%. Between 30 and 39 there were 295 attempts. 22 were missed. That's 92.5%. And, as with the shorter kicks, the majority of those misses are due to a small group of kickers.

The NFL doesn't publish more detailed kicking stats than that (collated, anyway), so with just those numbers and knowing about what the curve looks like, the average of the two numbers seems a likely estimate for the 37 yards a field goal from the ball spotted at the 20 would correspond to.

And that's today. 5-10 years from now that number is almost certainly going to be significantly higher.

As for the influence of weather, I was actually able to dig up a nice article on that (pdf link) and the conclusion (page 8) is that at 37 yards, the effect is minimal. Neither rain nor wind really do much with those short kicks. The biggest effect was actually with "cold" games, but even then the effect was very small.

In other words, the weather would have to be pretty exceptional to nudge the field goal percentage from 37 yards below 90+%.

Those numbers do support keeping the 2 pt conversion from the 2-yard-line, of course.
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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2014, 11:26:55 am »

Watching the player who scored TD kick the PAT would be awesomeness x 100!  Do it for da lulz!!!
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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2014, 10:45:35 am »

That's what I would do. Would make the games in Nov and December more fun in bad weather. Long kick in bad weather or a 2 yard play for 2pts

NFL might give that a try this pre-season.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/03/nfl-may-experiment-with-longer-extra-points-in-the-preseason/
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2014, 10:51:04 am »

^^ I actually would be very OK with this.  I like the idea of encouraging teams to go for 2.
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