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« on: January 09, 2014, 12:54:01 pm »

Some examples might be:
- Moving teams/games overseas
- Watering down of talent pools by adding playoff teams or number of games or franchises
- Rules meant to encourage parity but limit loyalty and premier franchises
- Safety rules and penalties that change the game
- Corporatization and sponsorship of everything
- TV becoming favorable to actual crowd attendance
- Kids/parents choosing to play other sports in lieu of football for safety reasons
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2014, 01:45:16 pm »

My biggest issue is the moving of games and talk of instituting a team overseas. I just don't get it.
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2014, 01:48:59 pm »

Violence at the stadiums.  

It is suppose to be entertainment.  One should be able to go to a game and root for his/her favorite team (home or opposing) without fear that they are going to be beat up because someone else doesn't like the color jersey their wearing.  I am all for heckling and good nurtured teasing (half my family is Red Sox the other half Yankees and that makes baseball fan more fun).  But it should not cross the line into violence or destruction of property.  
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2014, 02:57:20 pm »

Mine is a combo of things regarding safety.  First off, the rule changes suck, but I think I can live with them.  The bigger issue is that I foresee kids just not playing football at the junior and High School level.  I wouldn't want my son getting his brains messed up and would push him towards other sports.

It's not that I'd say "no", but I would foster other, safer things like basketball or soccer.

But I see the game getting watered down because of safety stuff (and rightfully so) to the point where it either doesn't exist in its current form or is unrecognizable as the football we watch now.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2014, 04:40:19 pm »

Violence at the stadiums.  

It is suppose to be entertainment.  One should be able to go to a game and root for his/her favorite team (home or opposing) without fear that they are going to be beat up because someone else doesn't like the color jersey their wearing.  I am all for heckling and good nurtured teasing (half my family is Red Sox the other half Yankees and that makes baseball fan more fun).  But it should not cross the line into violence or destruction of property.  

This right here. An NFL Game is NOT a family atmosphere. Hasn't been in a while but now more and more people are realizing this. The drinking at games is out of control, the violence is out of control  and the game live isn't an experience you can go to with a child to or a wife/girlfriend.
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2014, 05:03:09 pm »

I would be afraid to take my daughter to a game on the road.

Whenever I see kids at games of opposing fans, I try to give them (and the parents) a friendly ribbing, but I always make it a point to be non-threatening...stuff like "that's child abuse."  "It's too late for you, but it's not to late for them."  "Think of the children." Etc.

But I've seen people be downright aggressive to kids, too.
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2014, 05:30:29 pm »

I would be afraid to take my daughter to a game on the road.

Whenever I see kids at games of opposing fans, I try to give them (and the parents) a friendly ribbing, but I always make it a point to be non-threatening...stuff like "that's child abuse."  "It's too late for you, but it's not to late for them."  "Think of the children." Etc.

But I've seen people be downright aggressive to kids, too.

I have been at games were fans have yelled at teenage girls to show their tits stuff like that. Just disgusting behavior. After a Bills/Miami game in Buffalo many years back when it was about 10 degrees outside on a December day a mom with her 2 kids (each wearing Dolphins jackets) were walking to their car. The mom got distracted by the one kid had to help him tie his shoe, so a bills fan runs up to the other kid (every bit of maybe 9 or 10 years old)....rips his jacket off him and throws it on a little bonfire thing they had in the parking lot. When the mom turned around and noticed she went nuts (as she should)....the kid was out a $100 coat and they had to walk a mile to their car and this kid was gonna freeze to death.  I mean I could sit here all night and tell ya stories of stuff I have seen going to games as a fan and in some cases covering games when I used to cover games for a publication or two. It's disgusting and its only gotten worse.
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2014, 05:46:13 pm »

I'd say it's the cost of attending the games that keeps me away.  Not sure that's gonna hurt the NFL in any way shape or form though, it just upsets me.
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2014, 06:33:54 pm »

Some examples might be:
- Moving teams/games overseas
- Watering down of talent pools by adding playoff teams or number of games or franchises
- Rules meant to encourage parity but limit loyalty and premier franchises
- Safety rules and penalties that change the game
- Corporatization and sponsorship of everything
- TV becoming favorable to actual crowd attendance
- Kids/parents choosing to play other sports in lieu of football for safety reasons


I know many things on this list drive "die-hard NFL Fans" nuts (and some of them do annoy me).....but wait till you see is coming down the road like...

-expanded playoffs
-playoff games played on Monday Night
-Super Bowl played overseas
-weekly NFL games played at 9am from overseas (that's a package of games the NFL can sell a network for a boatload of $$)
-Multiple Thursday night games as we have talked about before

Just remember, the highest paid person in the NFL (player or exec) is Roger Goodell at $30 mill a year! He is paid that insane salary to make the owners more money.That's his only job!!  He will sell anything and everything and expand everything and anything to keep his job, to increase his already high salary, and to spread the NFL to every corner of the earth. The NFL we all grew up with is dead and gone and is never coming back.  This "NEW NFL" is the norm and its going to be ever changing.
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2014, 09:29:57 pm »

Great topic, Dave.

First, the trend of the declining defense. Rules are in place that greatly favor passing offenses. This takes away the uniqueness of a truly balanced offense. And the ability of a defense to defend against the pass. Since there are more fans that enjoy 45-44 playoff games than I do, that trend isn't going away.

Second, the safety issue. I understand wanting to legislate certain contact out of the game. I am not a fan of egregious shots to the head. But, they are fining incidental contact. As if, physics don't matter. In theory, you can train players to be better, safer tacklers. In reality, a 5'9" corner is not going to wrap up a 6'6" TE properly. At the same time, they should properly enforce the "in the grasp" rule for QB's. But then again, I guess that takes away from the offense.

Lastly, I have to agree with everyone on the violence at the stadiums issue. It's a reflection of society. It's one thing to say things to people. It's another, taking the words as a catalyst to escalate towards violence. We're asking people to act humanely at a stadium, when they don't do it in society.  One more reason I don't go to football games anymore.
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2014, 04:38:25 pm »

I have been at games were fans have yelled at teenage girls to show their tits stuff like that. Just disgusting behavior. After a Bills/Miami game in Buffalo many years back when it was about 10 degrees outside on a December day a mom with her 2 kids (each wearing Dolphins jackets) were walking to their car. The mom got distracted by the one kid had to help him tie his shoe, so a bills fan runs up to the other kid (every bit of maybe 9 or 10 years old)....rips his jacket off him and throws it on a little bonfire thing they had in the parking lot. When the mom turned around and noticed she went nuts (as she should)....the kid was out a $100 coat and they had to walk a mile to their car and this kid was gonna freeze to death.  I mean I could sit here all night and tell ya stories of stuff I have seen going to games as a fan and in some cases covering games when I used to cover games for a publication or two. It's disgusting and its only gotten worse.

This is why I never went to see the Dolphins when they came to Oakland.
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2014, 05:31:55 pm »

This is why I never went to see the Dolphins when they came to Oakland.

I have a buddy that did.  He says he saw a fan wearing a white Zach Thomas jersey go into this porta potty. A bunch of  Raiders fans with spiked shoulder pads surrounded it and started banging and kicking it and rocking it and eventually tipped it on it's side.  He won't describe what the fan looked like when he finally made it out
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2014, 11:41:42 pm »

The general pussification of the game in general.  There are too many subtopics for me to rant on and not get pissed off.
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