Quinnipiac Poll: Obama 'worst president' since World War II

[bsmooth]

It is a skewed poll because it concerns active and former presidents. All presidents see a bump up in their polls and popularity after they leave office. This bump up seems to go up after they die. So we will have to see how Obama is viewed in eight years or so.
While this is being shot around the interwebs at light speed, the current approval ratings show Obama hovering around 40%.

[Spider-Dan]

I don't think Obamacare will be around 10 years from now in it's current form.

Do you think it will be around in a form that is still called Obamacare?  Because if it is, the idea that it will be the boat anchor for Obama's legacy (as many conservatives currently seem to believe) is not realistic.  It's like expecting LBJ's legacy to be ruined by the fact that he signed Medicare into law.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that Republicans believe Obamacare is his single biggest blunder.  It has been their primary uniting cause since it was passed.  If so, that would mean that history's evaluation of Obama necessarily hinges on history's evaluation of Obamacare.  And it would be easier to believe conservatives' claims about how destructive and oppressive Obamacare is if they were not already on the record saying exactly the same things about Social Security and Medicare when they were passed.  The Gipper himself rose to fame from his record claiming that Medicare would bring a socialist dictatorship to America.

I also don't think Obamacare will be around 10 years from now.

Do you believe it will be repealed outright?  I think the amount of rage that would result from that would be significantly worse.

[pondwater]

Well you guys can wait 10 years for Obama to die and obamacare to crash and burn to evaluate his success. Me and the majority of America will judge him now and until he leaves office. Hell, this country very well could crash and burn in 10 years.

Just because a presidents popularity goes up many years after he leaves office or dies only means that people easilly forget or are too young to have lived through it. Carter is not a better president now than he was when he was actually in office, that's silly. Obama will be ranked in the bottom 25% of all presidents. Probably on par with Bush, like it or not.

[Buddhagirl]

Is this the poll that consisted of " 73 percent whites, 61 percent Midwesterners and Southerners, and 56 percent land-line users"? I REPEAT: LAND LINE USERS.

Nah...that's not skewed at all. That is a great cross section of our diverse country.

Source:  http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/us/us07022014_crosstabs_U73jabn.pdf

[Fau Teixeira]

i like obamacare .. i think it's great

[CF DolFan]

Don't get the land line user thing. Are middle-aged/old/rich white people the only ones to keep a land line? I keep one just so I don't have to take bill calls or solicitors on my cell. I get all my BS calls at home and have one number to associate the family with.

[Dave Gray]

Don't get the land line user thing. Are middle-aged/old/rich white people the only ones to keep a land line?

Not only, but statistically, much more likely, yes.

I don't know anyone under 35 who has a land line.

[Phishfan]

I don't know anyone under 35 who has a land line.

I could have bumped that number even more. Before I realized CF had one I only knew of people in their 60's with land lines.

[Tenshot13]

Not only, but statistically, much more likely, yes.

I don't know anyone under 35 who has a land line.

Under 35 and I do. I never answer it because it's always telemarketers. Came with my cable package.

[pondwater]

i like obamacare .. i think it's great

O'Rly. It's seems your views are not congruent from month to month. Or you are just trying to support a leftist agenda at any expense. Your choice, either one works.

i've said it before .. i'm not for obamacare .. i think it was a needless bunch of concessions to republicans that they never decided to reciprocate .. it should have been a straight up single payer system all along.

 

[Fau Teixeira]

O'Rly. It's seems your views are not congruent from month to month. Or you are just trying to support a leftist agenda at any expense. Your choice, either one works.

tldr - Ya Rly

i signed up for the exchange in feb 2014 for the wife and kid.  through the marketplace we pay 325 / month (with no government help) for a gold level HMO ..

to add them to my HMO at work it would have cost 900/month additional

so obamacare is directly saving me almost $600 / month
 
This is the problem with obamacare for republicans .. i disliked the law because it wasn't leftist ENOUGH .. but it's much better than what we had before .. which was nothing.

[Spider-Dan]

Well you guys can wait 10 years for Obama to die and obamacare to crash and burn to evaluate his success. Me and the majority of America will judge him now and until he leaves office.

That is exactly my point!

Obama is still in office now, so most conservatives aren't going to say Carter (their normal choice) was the worst president; there's no political hay to make from saying that.  Obama will be the "worst president ever" until Hillary takes office, at which point she will immediately become the "worst president ever" until she leaves office.

Just because a presidents popularity goes up many years after he leaves office or dies only means that people easilly forget or are too young to have lived through it. Carter is not a better president now than he was when he was actually in office, that's silly. Obama will be ranked in the bottom 25% of all presidents. Probably on par with Bush, like it or not.

When it's all said and done, Bush will definitely be looking up at Carter and might be looking up at Nixon and Hoover.  By 2006, no one was talking about any of the Clinton "scandals" and his image was almost completely recovered; in contrast, Bush's name is still poison even in the GOP, and in spite of conservative cries to the contrary, a plurality of Americans still hold Bush more responsible for blowing up the economy than Obama for failing to fix it fast enough (and this is in a poll with 70% land line users!).

[Dave Gray]

Under 35 and I do. I never answer it because it's always telemarketers. Came with my cable package.

I did have one that cable provided (it was cheaper to have the phone than not.)  I literally never answered the phone or used it for any reason.  When the plan expired, I sent the phone back.

[pondwater]

tldr - Ya Rly

i signed up for the exchange in feb 2014 for the wife and kid.  through the marketplace we pay 325 / month (with no government help) for a gold level HMO ..

to add them to my HMO at work it would have cost 900/month additional

so obamacare is directly saving me almost $600 / month
 
This is the problem with obamacare for republicans .. i disliked the law because it wasn't leftist ENOUGH .. but it's much better than what we had before .. which was nothing.

I could be wrong, but I was under the assumption that if insurance was available to you and your dependants through your employer that you had to use it instead of the marketplace. Anyhow, you're saving 2/3's on your insurance by going through the marketplace. You do realize that there are people who's policy has doubled or tripled in order for you to save that $600. Why do you feel that it's a good thing for you to benefit by penalizing others? What makes you think that you deserve it?

This is the primary reason that this whole ponzi scheme is going to crumble upon itself. My insurance went up a considerable amount. My $227 a month increase doesn't matter to you when you are saving $600. I guess they can raise the rate for 3 families @ $227 per month to cover your savings. Wonder what's going to happen when the employee mandate kicks in?

[Fau Teixeira]

I could be wrong, but I was under the assumption that if insurance was available to you and your dependants through your employer that you had to use it instead of the marketplace. Anyhow, you're saving 2/3's on your insurance by going through the marketplace. You do realize that there are people who's policy has doubled or tripled in order for you to save that $600. Why do you feel that it's a good thing for you to benefit by penalizing others? What makes you think that you deserve it?

This is the primary reason that this whole ponzi scheme is going to crumble upon itself. My insurance went up a considerable amount. My $227 a month increase doesn't matter to you when you are saving $600. I guess they can raise the rate for 3 families @ $227 per month to cover your savings. Wonder what's going to happen when the employee mandate kicks in?

The marketplace is a free market .. insurance companies set their own prices .. don't blame me because an insurance company has a better price than  another. You should instead celebrate the free market capitalism involved in the marketplaces.

if your insurance price went up . .change insurance companies . .you have that option, use it.