Philbin could stay even if we do not make the playoffs

[EDGECRUSHER]

You're absolutely right, there is no way to predict what Ross will do. He has shown that he is loyal to his staff to a fault. I joked before about going from 7-9 to 9-7 in 3 years not being enough, but he may see otherwise.

[MikeO]

You're absolutely right, there is no way to predict what Ross will do. He has shown that he is loyal to his staff to a fault. I joked before about going from 7-9 to 9-7 in 3 years not being enough, but he may see otherwise.

I also think Ross needs to rebuild his image in league circles, and he is very aware of this, after the Sparano-Harbaugh thing. So he will maybe give Philbin a longer leash to prove he isn't some quick-trigger owner who is un-rational and not good to work for.

[Downunder Dolphan]

He kept Ireland on for years without firing him when everyone told him he was nuts. If Ross has it in his head he doesn't want to fire him now, I don't see how Philbin gets fired. We will see though

Agree. There is also the Aponte factor too - Ross is doggedly loyal to her, she is (at the moment at least) to Philbin. A major reason Ireland finally got the long overdue bullet because of the fall out with Aponte, and she went heavily in to bat for Philbin during the GM interview process which is why Hickey got the job.

It is no secret some of the major GM candiates were badly put off the idea of having to work with Philbin and under close scutiny from Aponte. I can't see Philbin being moved in a hurry short of there being a complete disaster.

[MikeO]

Agree. There is also the Aponte factor too - Ross is doggedly loyal to her, she is (at the moment at least) to Philbin. A major reason Ireland finally got the long overdue bullet because of the fall out with Aponte, and she went heavily in to bat for Philbin during the GM interview process which is why Hickey got the job.

It is no secret some of the major GM candiates were badly put off the idea of having to work with Philbin and under close scutiny from Aponte. I can't see Philbin being moved in a hurry short of there being a complete disaster.

Well, if he doesn't fire Philbin then he will give him and Hickey extensions. Probably 2 year extensions so neither is a lame duck next year

[MikeO]

Speaking of next year Adam Beasley reporting next year Fins have to decide on Oddrick or Starks after the season. He thinks/hears Fins might
Franchise Tag Oddrick and cut Starks to save $4 million and only eat $1 mill in dead cap space. Keeping both not a realistic option right and Oddrick is younger and better.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Well, 6-6 through 12 games and eliminated from the playoffs (realistically, not mathematically yet) on their way to another 8-8 season should be enough to finally do the trick. Granted, Ross is a weird guy who has shown in the past to make poor personnel decisions, but this would be really hard to come back from and keep his job.

[MikeO]

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-falcons-perfect-fit-falcons-article-1.2036147

NYC Newspaper reporting that Ross likes Rex and if Miami misses the playoffs Miami could be a landing spot for Rex as the Fins next head coach.  A case of a reporter just throwing stuff out there and seeing if it sticks!

The Bears and their anemic defense could be a good fit, but keep an eye on the Dolphins as a potential suitor for Ryan if Miami misses the playoffs. Sources told The News that owner Stephen Ross has an affinity for Ryan. If Jim Harbaugh remains in Northern California, as expected, then Ryan could become a viable option in South Beach.

[Dave Gray]

I can't imagine Rex Ryan coaching here.  What a disaster. 

[MikeO]

I can't imagine Rex Ryan coaching here.  What a disaster. 

He would take the job but I would be shocked if Philbin is fired (minus losing out from here till Week 17) and I don't think Rex is the type of guy Ross would want.

I really don't believe the NYC paper or its source on this one. We will see though

[Spider-Dan]

Remember that this is the same owner that was consulting Eric Mangini and reportedly considered him for the GM job.

Say what you want about Rex, but he's a damn sight better than Mangini.

[EDGECRUSHER]

If we're talking logically, a 9-7 finish minus the playoffs should absolutely get Philbin fired considering his timeout shenanigans caused 2 losses. However, we don't use logic in Miami, so if it's 9-7 I think you will see Ross say "1 win improvement every year, he is doing well" and give him a small extension.

That would suck, but Miami always screws up it's coaching situation.

[MikeO]

Remember that this is the same owner that was consulting Eric Mangini and reportedly considered him for the GM job.

Say what you want about Rex, but he's a damn sight better than Mangini.

Mangini isn't dumb and is far better coach than Rex. Eric built those Jets teams Rex had success with early on. Mangini didn't want Farve the owner forced him on him and Farve was a mess after an 8-3 start that got Mangini fired.  Then Mangini went to Cleveland and found a way to win 5 games each year with little to no talent on those teams.

[Spider-Dan]

I don't think the phrase "found a way to win 5 games each year" should ever be used in support of a coach.

In today's NFL, if you string together multiple seasons of 6 wins or less, you suck and you're probably hopeless.  The fact that Rex took roughly the same team Mangini had, inserted Sanchez for Favre, and promptly won 4 playoff games is not a point in Mangini's favor.

Mangini is hot garbage.

[MikeO]

I don't think the phrase "found a way to win 5 games each year" should ever be used in support of a coach.

Look at the roster of those Browns teams he walked into. Him winning 5 games is a miracle that should qualify him for saint-hood in the Catholic church

[Pappy13]

In today's NFL, if you string together multiple seasons of 6 wins or less, you suck and you're probably hopeless.  The fact that Rex took roughly the same team Mangini had, inserted Sanchez for Favre, and promptly won 4 playoff games is not a point in Mangini's favor.

I think you missed Mike's point that it was Mangini that built that roster that Rex won those 4 playoff games with and lets not forget what Rex has done with the team since that time. The Jets have become a laughing stock and lost most of the talent on those teams without replacing it over the last couple of years.