Philbin could stay even if we do not make the playoffs

[DZA]

FIRE COYLE then i could see Ross hiring Rex as the DC

[MikeO]

FIRE COYLE then i could see Ross hiring Rex as the DC

Rex isn't taking a DC job. He already has a huge TV offer. He will take the TV offer or be a head coach. His days of being an assistant are over with

[Stinger24]

I am so ver this staff. Wash rinse repeat year after year this team just underachieves.

[Spider-Dan]

I think you missed Mike's point that it was Mangini that built that roster that Rex won those 4 playoff games with and lets not forget what Rex has done with the team since that time.

First of all: Mangini was not the GM; Tannenbaum was.  Both coaches had the same GM and Rex did much better.
Second: Even if we give Mangini credit for the roster, when you replace the coach and immediately do much better, that means the coach was bad.  Mike Singletary does not get "credit" for Jim Harbaugh's success; he gets blame for screwing up a talented roster.

[hordman]

Philbin blows and this is same stuff year after year.  Tannehill, while his stats have improved from last year and has made better decisions, is not your guy.  Guy throws either WR screens or RB dumpoffs for 7-8 yards.  BAL secondary has been AWFUL this year and MIA did not take advantage, which is typical of a MIA team.  Never exploit the other team's weaknesses.

RT doesn't trust his arm donwfield and is afraid to make a mistake, period.  It was checkdown city all day today.  If you can challenge a team downfield, they don't fear you and they wait for the underneath routes and they pin their ears back and rush the QB

MIA also went away from the run too early as well IMO.  Just an all-around cluster fock from this team and organization. 

Oh well, I guess the only suspense now is if Philibin the Dill will get fired at year's end. They are 8-8 at best and I'll challenge anyone who says different.  Maybe 7-9.  They ain't beating NE next week in Foxboro and the Jets will stick it to one more time at year's end to finish this season off.

Philibin is 22-23 record.  Fockin A is that's a waste.  It'd be different if they were shitty the 1st year and they steadily improved, not the case here.  He's a nice guy and all, but I don't want a nice guy who says nice things and does nice things.  I want a guy who holds players accountable, motivates players and brings success.  You're not getting that from him.

This just sucks all around.  Playoffs dashed by the 1st weekend in Dec.  Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

[MikeO]

RT doesn't trust his arm donwfield and is afraid to make a mistake, period.  It was checkdown city all day today.  If you can challenge a team downfield, they don't fear you and they wait for the underneath routes and they pin their ears back and rush the QB

That's not the issue. You CAN'T throw a deep pass when you have zero time to throw. This o-line can't hold a block for more than a couple seconds. You cant do a 5 or 7 step drop with this o-line, you can't call those plays.  Not enough time for the WR's to get down field. It's not check-downs...those are the plays they are calling. The o-line is as bad as it is as last year right now. It's awful.

[hordman]

That's not the issue. You CAN'T throw a deep pass when you have zero time to throw. This o-line can't hold a block for more than a couple seconds. You cant do a 5 or 7 step drop with this o-line, you can't call those plays.  Not enough time for the WR's to get down field. It's not check-downs...those are the plays they are calling. The o-line is as bad as it is as last year right now. It's awful.

I'll give you that on some plays yesterday, but overall and I mean the season, do you think he's thrown the deep ball particularly well?  I would say no.  In fact, IIRC MNF threw a stat up last week that MIA was 3rd to last in 21+ yd plays downfield and I think NYJ were 2nd to last.

THAT says alot about this OFF.  He's almost Chad Henne 2.0 except he's cleaned up his INTs and he's more accurate on the short to intermediate routes.  Look, he's made strides from Rookie season to now, but he has shown NO deep ball ability at all. At this point I don't know if it's all him or his WRs but he's the QB and he's gonna take the hit for this.

I like the guy, he says the right things, he takes blame, but sooner or later you got to get the ball downfield and make the DEF respect that.  No one does and you get what you got yesterday.

[Dave Gray]

The pressure that our O-line gives up is unforgivable.  Tannehill is only as successful as he is because he's been able to scramble and extend plays and run a little bit.  But that kind of play doesn't lend itself to big plays downfield.  At some point, a QB has to be able to stand in the pocket and deliver balls deep.

People say the season is over now (which it is), but it was really over when Brandon Albert was lost.  There was just no coming back from that.

[MikeO]

The pressure that our O-line gives up is unforgivable.  Tannehill is only as successful as he is because he's been able to scramble and extend plays and run a little bit.  But that kind of play doesn't lend itself to big plays downfield.  At some point, a QB has to be able to stand in the pocket and deliver balls deep.

People say the season is over now (which it is), but it was really over when Brandon Albert was lost.  There was just no coming back from that.

Very true. James has done well at LT but the right side of the line is a total mess. Dallas Thomas isn't an NFL player at guard or tackle. Colledge is old and well average on his best day. And the fact Billy Turner can't even be active on gamedays with THIS o-line........wow. Not promising going into next year. I mean how bad is Billy Turner? Not saying he should be playing but at least be active and a back-up to the back-up! Another wasted 3rd round pick.

[Brian Fein]

People say the season is over now (which it is), but it was really over when Brandon Albert was lost.  There was just no coming back from that.

Absolutely True.  The entire o-line was shakily put together and one injury costs us dearly.  The team has visibly regressed since Albert went down.

[Dave Gray]

I think that the average fan looks at fantasy football positions and thinks that's where games are won: QB, RB, and WR.  But that's ball-watching (cheers, Omar!).  The games are really won or lost in control of the line of scrimmage.  All else comes from that.  People who complain about not taking shots down field don't understand that there are a slew of things that have to happen in order to go downfield.  You can't just do it or you'll get picked off.  You have to control the line, give your QB time to work, give your RB gains to keep safeties in check, etc.  It's one hand washing the other.  Everything fits together like a puzzle.   You can have great a great WR and QB and you're still not successfully going downfield without the balance of a running game and a line to protect you.

So, when those building blocks are incredibly injured and your depth is outright bad, you're not going to do well.

Credit to Lazor for implementing the read-option and allowing Tannehill to do something this year or else it would've just been sack-city like last year.  Seeing people complain about our offense being dink and dunk 20-yard passes makes me nuts.  It's either that, or deep drop-backs to get sacked and incomplete passes and interceptions.

[MikeO]

And this isn't a case of "blow it up" and start over. This is a franchise that has pieces in place. We have bookend Tackles on the o-line, a pro bowl caliber center, a QB, a RB, and an above average WR corp. On defense you have 1 lock-down corner, one promising LB in Jenkins, and a deep d-line.

This team needs better coaching and a better GM. And of course it needs to just repair the secondary and find guards on the o-line. (of course there are other moves like getting rid of Starks and tweaking the linebackers but the heavy lifting is on the o-line and secondary)

Our last coaching search Miami wasn't an attractive job because it had no talent and was a total rebuild and an unknown owner. This time this team has talent, no Ireland, an owner who has proved he is totally hands off, and a new coach can come in and win right away here.

Now will Ross fire Philbin....i have my doubts. After yesterday I hope he does but I am not holding my breath

[WeAreAJoke]

At least 9-7 or he's definitely fired.  Measurable improvement is necessary.

If MIA is sitting at 9-5 (or even 10-4) at the end of week 15 and Philbin manages to lose to two cellar-dwellars to end the season AGAIN, with the result being no playoff appearance, this will also result in his firing.

No it won't...but it should. If Sparano didn't get fired after the 2010 season, I think Philbin survives this. He shouldn't though.

[masterfins]

When it come to the O-Line, and offense in general, you need to put things in perspective.  The NY Giants were basically in the same situation coming into this year, new offensive line, new coordinator, and new playbook, however they had a 2 time Super Bowl QB.  Who's done a better job??  It's hard enough to replace one or two good offensive lineman, Miami had to replace (4), actually (5) to start the season due to Pouncey's injury.  So, in the coming off season Miami has to get (2) new guards, and hopefully improve the backups.  If not for the injuries this was a greatly improved unit.

[Pappy13]

Philbin blows and this is same stuff year after year.  Tannehill, while his stats have improved from last year and has made better decisions, is not your guy.

What? Tannehill is the ONLY guy that we can't lose at this point. He's the closest thing Miami has to a star. He's not a star but neither is anyone on the team. ANYONE. Wake has disappeared lately. It's not all his fault, he can't do it on his own, but he can't put the defense on his back just like Tannehill can't put the offense on his. The real problem with Wake is that his star isn't rising anymore, it's set and on it's way down at least Tannehill's star is still on the rise.

If you asked me to take one player from this team to start a new team with it would have to be Tannehill for me. Grimes might be my second pick but unfortunately it's tough to build a team around a cornerback.