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« Reply #75 on: March 17, 2015, 08:58:03 pm »
Yeah, this is laughable. Clay is now the 4th highest paid TE and he wasn't Top 10 in even one category last year. We all knew with Miami's new cap space that Clay would walk only if Buffalo were retarded and they definitely went full retard on this one.

$24 Million over 2 years for Charles Clay? HAHAHAHA
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« Reply #76 on: March 17, 2015, 11:07:10 pm »
Let Clay walk.  He is being paid more money than some of the til TEs in the league who have actually done something.   Buffalo overplayed their hand here and they're gonna pay, in more ways than one
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« Reply #77 on: March 17, 2015, 11:29:33 pm »
Quote from: MikeO on March 17, 2015, 07:47:39 pm
Essentially the Fins lost Clay over $1.2 mill. Cause if they would have franchise tagged him it would have cost them $1.2 mill more than what they were willing to pay him this year on the transition tag.  Aponte and Tannenbaum messed this one up BIG TIME!
This is crazy talk.  By your same logic, Detroit "lost Suh over" [the cost of a 1-year franchise tag] - [the amount they offered him per year + prorated signing bonus].

Miami didn't know they were going to get Stills and unload Ellerbe's contract in one swoop.  They didn't know they would be getting rid of Wallace.  They didn't know they'd be signing Cameron.  And you're saying they should have committed ~$9m to Clay for 1 year?
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« Reply #78 on: March 17, 2015, 11:50:23 pm »
Clay after 2013? Sure, franchise. Clay after 2014? No, thank you.

Much like with Jake Long in 2012, we did the right thing by letting him go. It MAY hurt in the short run, but it was the right call. Like the Rams, let Buffalo overpay for injured mediocrity.
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« Reply #79 on: March 18, 2015, 06:11:23 am »
Quote from: Spider-Dan on March 17, 2015, 11:29:33 pm
This is crazy talk.  By your same logic, Detroit "lost Suh over" [the cost of a 1-year franchise tag] - [the amount they offered him per year + prorated signing bonus].


Suh's Franchise tag was 120%. Clay's wasn't not to mention one guys was tag # was over 20 mill the other guys was around 8 mill. Bad comparison
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« Reply #80 on: March 18, 2015, 07:03:01 am »
Quote from: MikeO on March 17, 2015, 07:56:58 pm
Then WTF did they tag him for?

Tagging him gave them time to work on a reasonable contract or attempt to force any other team after him to overpay. The latter worked perfectly.
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« Reply #81 on: March 18, 2015, 08:01:53 am »
Quote from: fyo on March 18, 2015, 07:03:01 am
Tagging him gave them time to work on a reasonable contract or attempt to force any other team after him to overpay. The latter worked perfectly.

Tough to believe they tagged him because it gave them time to work out a reasonable contract when a couple weeks after you tag him you go public with..."we have stopped talks with Charles Clay and will no longer negotiate with him"
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« Reply #82 on: March 18, 2015, 09:17:28 am »
Quote from: MikeO on March 18, 2015, 08:01:53 am
Tough to believe they tagged him because it gave them time to work out a reasonable contract when a couple weeks after you tag him you go public with..."we have stopped talks with Charles Clay and will no longer negotiate with him"

The Dolphins never said this publicly. One guy tweeted it...
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« Reply #83 on: March 18, 2015, 09:33:50 am »
Quote from: Rich on March 18, 2015, 09:17:28 am
The Dolphins never said this publicly. One guy tweeted it...

The same guy who has broke every story correctly in this Clay process down to the numbers of the deal
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« Reply #84 on: March 18, 2015, 10:15:15 am »
Quote from: MikeO on March 18, 2015, 09:33:50 am
The same guy who has broke every story correctly in this Clay process down to the numbers of the deal

There have been several people breaking different aspects of this story.

This particular aspect was debunked by sources close to the Dolphins.
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« Reply #85 on: March 18, 2015, 11:55:21 am »
This seems like such a stupid contract, even for the Bills.  Good deal for Clay in the short run, but in two years he may be out of the league after playing on a team with no QB.  Not to mention he's going to be called on to do a lot of blocking.
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« Reply #86 on: March 18, 2015, 12:08:14 pm »
Quote from: masterfins on March 18, 2015, 11:55:21 am
This seems like such a stupid contract, even for the Bills.  Good deal for Clay in the short run, but in two years he may be out of the league after playing on a team with no QB.  Not to mention he's going to be called on to do a lot of blocking.

The Bills have the money to blow so they can do this. Their offensive skill positions are really upgraded if they do get Clay.
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« Reply #87 on: March 18, 2015, 12:24:28 pm »
The Bills essentially guaranteed Clay $24.1 Million in 2 years, because the only way he doesn't collect that is if they cut him after Year 1 and then eat $8 Million guaranteed to bring his 1 Year total to $20 Million. Clay did not finish Top 10 in ANY offensive category last season.

Buffalo went full retard here. Would've liked to keep Clay, but you don't pay Gronk money for slightly above average talent. Let the Redskins and Bills do that.
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« Reply #88 on: March 18, 2015, 01:39:48 pm »
Quote from: EDGECRUSHER on March 17, 2015, 11:50:23 pm
Clay after 2013? Sure, franchise. Clay after 2014? No, thank you.

Much like with Jake Long in 2012, we did the right thing by letting him go. It MAY hurt in the short run, but it was the right call. Like the Rams, let Buffalo overpay for injured mediocrity.

All of this.  BUF overplayed their hand in this deal.  Let BUF have him for an un-godly price.  Right about Jake Long too, hows that working out for ya, STL???
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« Reply #89 on: March 18, 2015, 01:43:40 pm »
Quote from: masterfins on March 18, 2015, 11:55:21 am
This seems like such a stupid contract, even for the Bills.  Good deal for Clay in the short run, but in two years he may be out of the league after playing on a team with no QB.  Not to mention he's going to be called on to do a lot of blocking.

Good point about the blocking.  IIRC he wasn't too stellar at blocking, though he had bigger play ability than Sims.  Ol' Rex Ryan is gonna call upon him to man up.  We'll see if that happens
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