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« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2015, 09:23:42 pm »

Would've preferred that he stayed, but he clearly wants to play for whoever offers him the most money, so let Buffalo be the team that overpays him. Sims did well and we got Cameron.
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« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2015, 09:40:06 pm »

Would've preferred that he stayed, but he clearly wants to play for whoever offers him the most money, so let Buffalo be the team that overpays him. Sims did well and we got Cameron.

Tannehill in a matter of a month has now lost Clay, Wallace, Hartline, and Gibson. Fins need weapons bad! Real bad. Plus they need 2 Guards still. This offense needs a lot of work at the moment. It has regressed terribly.

Cameron and Stills are nice, but still. They need more weapons at WR badly, they can get by at TE with Cameron and Sims if need be
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« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2015, 09:59:37 pm »

As Miami has painfully taught us, consistency isn't always for the best. Tanny lost Wallace but gained Stills. That's either a push or a gain considering he didn't have a great repoire with Wallace despite what the media says.

Hartline was terrible. Gibson was terrible. They were warm bodies that need to be replaced,but nothing a 6th rounder can't do. If healthy, Cameron is an upgrade over Clay who was hurt all season.

Not saying we definitely improved offensively, I just don't think we lost either. I would rather have a Left Guard than another name receiver. That's a huge necessity I hope we address in Round 2 after we take Linebacker with our first pick.
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« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2015, 10:01:16 pm »

Tannehill in a matter of a month has now lost Clay, Wallace, Hartline, and Gibson. Fins need weapons bad! Real bad. Plus they need 2 Guards still. This offense needs a lot of work at the moment. It has regressed terribly.

Cameron and Stills are nice, but still. They need more weapons at WR badly, they can get by at TE with Cameron and Sims if need be

No argument about needing receiving targets. I really don't see Gibson as a huge loss, as he only had 29 catches for 295 yds last season, but not resigning Clay hurts. I think, between the rest of free agency and the draft, Miami pretty much needs a minimum of two more receivers, and 3 would be even better.

There are still quite a few viable free agent WRs still out there:

Michael Crabtree
Cecil Shorts
Dwayne Bowe
Greg Jennings
Reggie Wayne
Denarius Moore
Stevie Johnson

A couple of TEs I like are still available as well:

Jermaine Gresham
Jacob Tamme

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« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2015, 10:15:00 pm »

Wayne is shot. Nothing left
Crabtree looks like Wash or SD per reports
Bowe and the Browns are close
Stevie Johnson visited with SD and has a visit with the Pats Monday

Jennings is in play for Miami and realistic. Shorts to Miami has been rumored (has hamstring issues though)

End of the day I would sign one Vet WR cheap, move up in Rd 1 to get Parker or Cooper. Use the cap space we now have a bunch of on Safety and OG
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« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2015, 10:34:27 am »

In the end, if he signs with Buffalo, it's because they couldn't figure out how to front load his contract to kill Miami while also not killing themselves. So, score one for their incompetence.

I think Buffalo may also believe Miami is posturing, which is why they will probably still go very high and very front loaded in the hopes that Miami doesn't match.
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« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2015, 11:23:53 am »

Fins today have $20.8 mill in open cap space. If Clay goes to the Bills and the Fins don't match it jumps to $27.8 mill
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« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2015, 12:34:52 pm »

Damn, sure wish we had this last week when the Niners OG was available. With this much space, we can sign Jennings. I really don't know who is left on the market that can help us. Rather take the room to help restructure some contracts to improve our situation for next season rather than sign crap players just for the sake of it.
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« Reply #53 on: March 15, 2015, 10:24:50 pm »

Dear God, where the hell is Buffalo's offer for Clay? It's been over a week now and he passed a physical and everything, what is taking so long? We have the cap room now, they can't screw us. Just show your cards and let's go.

This is so crazy that I bet he signs with Cleveland instead.
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« Reply #54 on: March 15, 2015, 10:48:51 pm »

Dear God, where the hell is Buffalo's offer for Clay? It's been over a week now and he passed a physical and everything, what is taking so long? We have the cap room now, they can't screw us. Just show your cards and let's go.

This is so crazy that I bet he signs with Cleveland instead.

Buffalo thought this would be so easy, especially after the Suh deal. Then Mr.T  put Miami in a situation where they have just over $20 mill of cap space and the Bills now have to over pay or just give up. They thought they could screw Miami cause Miami's cap situation was a mess after Suh, but clearly it isn't. Miami got rid of Wallace and Ellerbee and now are in outstanding cap shape this year and moving forward . Buffalo has to pay Clay $8 or $9 mill a year (which is insane) to get Miami to say...screw it he's yours, but then they have to actually pay him that!! Or, they need to waive the white flag and move on.

Miami now saying they refuse to negotiate with Clay is great. Pretty much telling Buffalo he's yours if you want him  make your offer. I expect something done Monday or Tuesday but Buffalo was playing a game of poker here and Miami has called their bluff.
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« Reply #55 on: March 15, 2015, 11:10:25 pm »

Thank God for those two trades. I feel Wallace will work out well in Minny and both teams "won" the trade, but hot damn did Nawlins get hosed and save our asses.

I don't think Buffalo is still working the numbers because they employ people to do that and they've had a long time now, only idiots wouldn't know how to structure the contract by now. So, I guess they are just nervous about their offer, knowing Miami can match it. Like you said, either overpay by a good amount or Miami can re-sign him. This can all be posturing on Miami's part and Buffalo knows that.

Either way, it really has gone on long enough. I have no idea what the Bills are telling Clay that has made him not force their hand yet and presumably killed his other suitor's interest, but I'd love to hear it if it ever comes out.
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« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2015, 06:58:58 pm »

Vic Carruci now reporting this afternoon a 90% chance Clay signs with the Bills

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« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2015, 07:06:39 pm »

I think that's just his agent playing the papers and hoping Miami ups their long term offer. After all, he can't just choose to sign with Buffalo, Miami has a right to match. So, what's the hold up?

Clay just wants the most money, which is fine considering careers are short in this league, but his agent probably lost him his top suitor in Miami, so he better be careful Buffalo doesn't lowball now.
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« Reply #58 on: March 16, 2015, 07:08:03 pm »

I think that's just his agent playing the papers

I think its Rex working the local Buffalo reporters feeding them this stuff. And they are eating it up cause he is new in town and hasn't burned them yet. That's my guess
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« Reply #59 on: March 16, 2015, 10:35:52 pm »

I think that's just his agent playing the papers and hoping Miami ups their long term offer. After all, he can't just choose to sign with Buffalo, Miami has a right to match. So, what's the hold up?

Clay just wants the most money, which is fine considering careers are short in this league, but his agent probably lost him his top suitor in Miami, so he better be careful Buffalo doesn't lowball now.
I don't think Clay is going to Buffalo. If they were serious about signing him they would have already offered him a contract. The fact that Miami can just match it and keep Clay I think has Buffalo spooked. If they go too low Miami will just match it and if they go too high Miami will simply let Clay go to Buffalo and they'll have overpayed for him.
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