Suh and the Dolphins

[MikeO]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/10/dolphins-are-nervous-about-investigation-of-suh-deal/

Oh boy!

[Rich]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/10/dolphins-are-nervous-about-investigation-of-suh-deal/

Oh boy!

Hopefully this isn't another Juwan Howard situation.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Hopefully Goodell will kill the deal.

not likely.  Could fine the fins or take a pick or do nothing,  but void the deal ain't happening

[MikeO]

Mort just said on NFL Radio that there is nothing to worry about. The Fins did nothing wrong and the league won't do anything

[Brian Fein]

I think it has to be the agents leaking the deal numbers, and trying to use the media to start a bidding war for their clients.  After all, what benefit does the team have to releasing the numbers early?  The agents can still get a better deal from another team if they aren't satisfied with the offer in place.

[Rich]

I think it has to be the agents leaking the deal numbers, and trying to use the media to start a bidding war for their clients.  After all, what benefit does the team have to releasing the numbers early?  The agents can still get a better deal from another team if they aren't satisfied with the offer in place.

Agreed.

[Phishfan]

The problem is not that numbers were released. The problem is there are numbers at all. NFL free agency is a stupid process. The rules say teams can negotiate with players over the weekend but contract terms cannot be reached. How can you even negotiate without terms? Stupid process.

[Rich]

The problem is not that numbers were released. The problem is there are numbers at all. NFL free agency is a stupid process. The rules say teams can negotiate with players over the weekend but contract terms cannot be reached. How can you even negotiate without terms? Stupid process.

I'm hearing a different interpretation from Mort and Omar... basically as long as the Dolphins didn't meet in person with Suh while he was in SoFla we should be fine.

[MikeO]

Here is why Suh picked the Dolphins. Details of the contract have been leaked...

Per PFT
Per a league source, the contract that defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh will sign with the Dolphins will include $60 million guaranteed over three years.  And that’s fully guaranteed, not guaranteed for injury until 2015 or 2016 before it converts to fully guaranteed. Teams usually won’t fully guarantee large amounts because the NFL requires teams to fund the fully-guaranteed payments at signing.  In this case, Dolphins owner Stephen Ross will be required to write a check for $60 million, with Suh getting plenty of it up front and the rest going to an escrow account for future distribution.

[Phishfan]

I'm hearing a different interpretation from Mort and Omar... basically as long as the Dolphins didn't meet in person with Suh while he was in SoFla we should be fine.

That is also a rule, but so is the money negotiation aspect. The NFL is upset that contract information is being leaked because deals are in place before the Tuesday start. I've seen it a couple places as well.

Yahoo Sports' Rand Getlin reported that the NFL sent a letter to all 32 teams expressing displeasure that contract terms for many free agents have been reported before free agency starts on Tuesday. Getlin also reported that the league will investigate if teams did in fact come to specific terms on offers with free agents before Tuesday, which is not allowed.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/nfl-isn-t-happy-about-all-these-contract-agreements-before-free-agency-154350515.html;_ylt=A0LEV1M_S_9U20EA5PZXNyoA

Omar's position is likely a CYA one as he was one of the sources of information on the deal being done before they could actually announce it by rule.

The writer seems to agree with me that you cannot negotiate deals without having terms to the deal.

Anyway, the NFL allows teams to discuss parameters of a deal but not come to a written or oral agreement on any specific terms (NFL Network's Albert Breer has the details of that rule). Again, either the NFL is just saving face by talking tough about these rules or it's incredibly naive. If you allow agents and teams to discuss free agents, does the NFL think the two sides are going to talk about what the players' favorite movies are? What else would they be discussing but money?

I'll say it again, the process is stupid.

[Rich]

I'm going to compose a post and tell you guys about it via PM, but I cannot officially post it on the forums.

[Brian Fein]

^^ ooh i wanna see the secret post!

I read yesterday that the Dolphins had the upper hand because of the tax structure.  That the Raiders, for instance, would have to pay him 74 million guaranteed to clear the same post-tax amount, because of California's high state tax. 

[Rich]

^^ ooh i wanna see the secret post!

Not until 4/25 at 3:27pm.

[suck for luck]

Im old. Wtf is sick burn?  When you hear a beatles song do you enjoy (or hate) the song or do you ponder the idiocy of the name?

Back on topic, fuck suh and fuck the dolphins for signing him.

[Phishfan]

I'm going to jump in and say the comparison of Suck for Luck to the Beatles is a travesty.