Eating Healthy

[Rich]

You're missing the point. I'm not sure if you're doing it purposefully or not.

You can not eat more calories than you burn and lose fat. Macronutrient content is immaterial to that.

I didn't miss your point. I don't think you're listening to mine.

[EKnight]

Im absolutely hearing your point. It's just not correct. You CAN'T eat above your maintenance level BMR and lose weight simply because you're not eating carbohydrates.

[Rich]

This is also not correct. Over the past few decades the research shows that obesity levels increasing has nothing to do with diet (calorie consumption and macro content hasn't changed much since 1988- in fact, eating habits have actually improved), and the common denominator is actually decreased activity. Nice try.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24631411

"Average daily caloric intake did not change significantly. BMI and waist circumference trends were associated with physical activity level but not caloric intake. "

As a desk jockey, I know it all too well.

However, when I was at 215 with 7% body fat, the BMI index told me I was obese, so I don't put that much stock in BMI. It tells me that at my height (6'1") I should weigh something like 175 lbs. I wouldn't need x-rays if that were the case.

[Rich]

Im absolutely hearing your point. It's just not correct. You CAN'T eat above your maintenance level BMR and lose weight simply because you're not eating carbohydrates.

Did I say that in my last post?

No, I stopped arguing that point.

[EKnight]

Did I say that in my last post?

No, I stopped arguing that point.

That was my only point of contention with your posts. Until now you have not withdrawn that point. I think we agree on pretty much everything else.

[Tenshot13]

As a desk jockey, I know it all too well.

However, when I was at 215 with 7% body fat, the BMI index told me I was obese, so I don't put that much stock in BMI. It tells me that at my height (6'1") I should weigh something like 175 lbs. I wouldn't need x-rays if that were the case.

I am also 6'1" and when I was at my optimal weight (235, cut, six pack abs, etc.) BMI said I was obese as well.  Now that I'm a desk jockey, I ballooned up to 275.  I'm around 255 now and decreasing.

[Rich]

That was my only point of contention with your posts. Until now you have not withdrawn that point. I think we agree on pretty much everything else.

I'm not going to withdraw it. We're not going to get anywhere so it is not worth continuing to discuss. The point of my post was to point out that it is better to do it the way I am doing it now anyway because I am avoiding the cravings that come with eliminating carbs. Let's leave it there.

[pondwater]

You CAN'T eat above your maintenance level BMR and lose weight simply because you're not eating carbohydrates.

^^^This is correct. To lose weight you have to be in a calorie deficit. The macros matter, but not as much as you think they do. A good percentage of "weight" lost on keto is water weight and glycogen depletion. That's why it "appears" to lean you out quicker. I won't dig through it right now, but the majority of the research that I've read indicates that Keto and a low/moderate carb diet are on par with each other as far as "fat" loss. My personal experience with both indicates the same, keto just had worse effect on me personally.

[EKnight]

^^ give up. People think because they have driven a car, they know how to do all the maintenance, and even when presented with an overwhelming bulk of clinical research, hold true to their scientifically unfounded beliefs.

That's fine. When they stall and plateau and no longer can make gains, they often end up coming to trainers and nutritionists and that keeps me in business.

[Rich]

That's fine. When they stall and plateau and no longer can make gains, they often end up coming to trainers and nutritionists and that keeps me in business.

Never had to do this. I get by just fine. Good luck!

[EKnight]

Haven't had to do this yet. I get by just fine. Good luck!

Fixed that for ya. You also didn't keep the weight off and admitted to compromising your health. And still didn't circumvent thermodynamics. But at least you're on the right track now, so props for that!

[Rich]

Fixed that for ya. You also didn't keep the weight off and admitted to compromising your health. And still didn't circumvent thermodynamics. But at least you're on the right track now, so props for that!

I didn't keep the weight off because that's what longterm relationships do. 

But when you start seeing your numbers go up, you realize it's now or never as far as eating right to live better. I've also noticed that since I started portion control, not only is my weight getting where it needs to be, my energy levels and my digestive system are as well.

So yea, there is no yet necessary. I think I have educated myself enough about nutrition and I was always a gym rate in my younger days.

[dolphins4life]

I didn't keep the weight off because that's what longterm relationships do. 

QFT

[pondwater]

I didn't keep the weight off because that's what longterm relationships do. 

QFT

Nope, el wrongo. Long term relationships don't make you gain weight. What you put in your body is a choice. How much you exercise is a choice. Statements like that are nothing more than a weak excuse for not being in better shape. If you're over weight, fat, obese, or just plain out of shape. That's fine, just be man enough to admit that you have no will power. Denial of the reasons why you are over weight, fat, or out of shape is worse than just being over weight, fat, or out of shape and saying that it's your choice to be like that.

[Tenshot13]

I didn't keep the weight off because that's what longterm relationships do. 

But when you start seeing your numbers go up, you realize it's now or never as far as eating right to live better. I've also noticed that since I started portion control, not only is my weight getting where it needs to be, my energy levels and my digestive system are as well.

So yea, there is no yet necessary. I think I have educated myself enough about nutrition and I was always a gym rate in my younger days.

QFT