Jury is deliberating in the Aaron Hernandez trial

[SCFinfan]

All I can say is: for all the bluster about Vick, I don't know of any converted Eagles or Jets fans.  So either Dolphins fans have more moral fiber than fans of those teams, or it's easy to talk about how you would quit being a fan when it's all hypothetical morality.

Yes.

I'd still watch. Vick committed a terrible crime - though not the worst, by a longshot - and then he paid his debt to society in terms of a prison sentence, etc. It's done and it's over. There's no point in hashing it out further than what the courts did unless you want to grind an axe, IMO.

Likewise, with Peterson, I just... meh. Look, ppl have beaten their girlfriends/wives/SO's pretty badly and come back to play for the Dolphins. I seem to recall Randy McMichael beating the crap out of his wife and then coming back for the 'phins. Personally though, I'm probably numb to it bc I represent these types of ppl sometimes, tho SC's law regarding DV is just ridiculous beyond all bounds. None of this is to say that the hitting of a child with an implement is good. I'm just saying I think this is more common than one might admit, and whatever our squeamishness with the whole deal, the law can be overzealous regarding prosecution of these types of people.

[Phishfan]

In the eyes of the general public, weed dealing is not the work of upstanding citizens, and in the eyes of most people, someone who gets killed by someone they were dealing drugs with is at least somewhat complicit in hanging around with seedy characters.

Your argument is still off base then. The drug dealer was not killed. That guy has nothing to do with this except he was a witness...for the prosecution.

Hernandez allegedly killed two people he stood behind in line for a night club and an extended family member (use of the word family loosely used for today's standards of the modern family).

 Also, in general public the use and sale of weed is now considered acceptable and has been approved as a legitimate business offering in many places (and is on the way in many more).

You are confusing the victims with a witness and calling the victims thugs. You are indeed being judgmental and doing it without the correct information.

[Phishfan]

it's easy to talk about how you would quit being a fan when it's all hypothetical morality.

We have a winner here folks.

[Phishfan]

I seem to recall Randy McMichael beating the crap out of his wife and then coming back for the 'phins.

And being defended in our recent second most famous Dolphin competition.

[Dave Gray]

I really feel like I'm being misrepresented here.  I'm speaking on behalf of the general public, from what I hear on the radio and TV about this case.  I am not knowledgeable about anything in regards to the people involved.  The media is throwing around terms like "gang activity" and "bluntmaster". 

I just feel that people are much more willing to feel sorry for dogs than the victims of Aaron Hernandez, because it's a more complicated story.

[Phishfan]

Maybe that's my fault, but if you are hearing that stuff somewhere then the case is being completely misrepresented and nothing bothers more than hearing people throw aspersions without facts. None of these victims were the "bluntmaster" or gang related at all. If people can't take the time to investigate facts enough to determine who the victims are they really don't need to be commenting. This is especially true for the media.

*Disclaimer: The "bluntmaster" was a victim of a crime by Hernandez but he did not pursue a case against him and there are no charges pending.

[Dave Gray]

What was the defense I was hearing "Hernandez would never kill his bluntmaster"?  Did I hear that incorrectly?

[Phishfan]

This is a complicated story. Hernandez shot "the bluntmaster" in the past. He was shot in the face and lost an eye but never pressed charges. He never identified his shooter. We can only assume why, he was indeed a weed dealer so there is one thing. Maybe he was scared Hernandez would come back and finish him could be another. Whatever reason, he didn't until Hernandez was linked to these murders.

In the current trial, the loosely used term extended family victim, the prosecution wanted to have the bluntmaster testify about being shot. The judge ruled that they could not use this past event as evidence in his trial. The defense then went and opened the door that there is no motive in this current case because they cannot fathom why Hernandez would shoot a friend. The prosecution then went back to the judge and said the defense opened the door. We have an "eye"  witness or victim if you will that survived Hernandez shooting a friend. If the defense opens the door the prosecution felt they should be able to slam it closed behind them. The judge ruled that testimony of a prior shooting still could not be heard.

So, there is really not even a defense about shooting the bluntmaster because the jury was not able to hear Hernandez had shot the bluntmaster.

What you might have heard had less to do with his current charges and was someone discussing the prosecution's motion to be able to introduce an earlier shooting. Really tough to say for sure what you may have heard or may have thought you heard.

[Dave Gray]

I see.  Thanks. 

I hope the bluntmaster can still roll proper blunts with the loss of his eye.

[Phishfan]

Well it turns out after all my high grandstanding I confused the nicknames. I had not heard bluntmaster and though it referred to Bradley who was the dealer. It actually refers to Lloyd who smoked with Hernandez.

[Dave Gray]

So, he did kill the bluntmaster?  That sucks.  Now his blunts are probably loose and full of seeds.

[Sunstroke]

And being defended in our recent second most famous Dolphin competition.

Not second most famous Dolphin, but second "favorite" Dolphin...which makes it even more applicable to this conversation.

[MikeO]

Hernandez found GUILTY!!!

[Tenshot13]

See ya Hernandez!

[ArtieChokePhin]

Hernandez found GUILTY!!!

Now this scumbag will stay where he belongs.  I heard his ID was stolen from him and sold on eBay