Fins in the 1st Round

[Pappy13]

They just signed 2 CB's this offseason both starters for other teams last year.

But didn't play well enough for either of them to be kept by those teams.

Suh has Mitchell, Johnson, Francis next to him.

My point exactly.

They like their DE's with Vernon, Wake, Shelby, Fede. They are really high on Shelby.

I like Shelby too, but he still hasn't proven anything.

You have a view of their defense they don't have.

Which is why they will continue to be let down by it.

What's wrong with Miller and Williams at RB? I mean you can always use another but you have Gillislee and James too. Seems like they have plenty of guys at that position. I could see if you were getting Gurly, but beyond him, they don't really need a RB.

[MikeO]

But didn't play well enough for either of them to be kept by those teams.

So every free agent that leaves their team sucks? Nice way to look at it SMH!

Whatever, nobody thinks the Fins need a DT or DE in rounds 2 or 4 or early in this draft. They are set at those positions (in everyone's eyes but yours.) Come late you take fliers on guys, fine. But the focus of these next few rounds will be O-line, RB, S, LB (in no special order)

[Pappy13]

So every free agent that leaves their team sucks? Nice way to look at it SMH!

Whatever, nobody thinks the Fins need a DT or DE in rounds 2 or 4 or early in this draft. They are set at those positions (in everyone's eyes but yours.) Come late you take fliers on guys, fine. But the focus of these next few rounds will be O-line, RB, S, LB (in no special order)

I didn't say they suck, I said they weren't reliable. And I didn't say they needed a DT or DE in round 2 or 4, I said they needed defensive players and they need them at every position. They absolutely should take a LB either in the 2nd or 4th round, but then keep going on the defensive side of the ball. Mix in a guard somewhere along the line. Forget RB. Forget TE. They drafted enough of them in the last 3 years to fill 3 teams.

[MikeO]

Forget RB. Forget TE. They drafted enough of them in the last 3 years to fill 3 teams.

WHO? They got nothing to show for it. Would rather have a RB or a TE over another DE who won't play or get playing time

[Pappy13]

The problem with Miami's draft picks for years were they only looked ahead 1 year and never looked down the road. You need to find a guy to replace Cam Wake now, not after he's done playing. I don't mind giving Shelby a shot at it, but nothing wrong with taking another DE to compete too.

[MikeO]

The problem with Miami's draft picks for years were they only looked ahead 1 year and never looked down the road. You need to find a guy to replace Cam Wake now, not after he's done playing.

They did, it was Dion Jordan. And Vernon the year before. Jordan is gone obvioulsy but Round 2 or 4 isn't the time to think about Wake's replacement when we need starters.  Plus the coaches LOVE Fede and we can take a flier on a DE late in this draft or wait till next year

[Pappy13]

They did, it was Dion Jordan. And Vernon the year before. Jordan is gone obvioulsy but Round 2 or 4 isn't the time to think about Wake's replacement when we need starters.  Plus the coaches LOVE Fede and we can take a flier on a DE late in this draft or wait till next year

Well Vernon can't replace Wake unless you then replace Vernon. With Jordan gone for 2015 and lets be real, his career is probably over, you got 2 backups at DE and you play 2 at a time. Dolphins only use 1 RB and they already have 3 backups. Unless they are gonna run the wishbone we don't need another backup.

[MikeO]

Well Vernon can't replace Wake unless you then are gonna replace Vernon then. With Jordan gone for 2015 and lets be real, his career is probably over so you got 2 backups and you play 2 at a time. Dolphins only employ 1 RB and they already have 3 backups. Unless we wa are gonna run the wishbone we don't need another backup.

They are higher on Shelby and Fede more than you think or want to believe.

I don't know who these Dolphins RB's you think we have. They have Miller and then Williams who isn't even a #2 RB in this league, so they really just have Miller

[Pappy13]

They are higher on Shelby and Fede more than you think or want to believe.

I don't know who these Dolphins RB's you think we have. They have Miller and then Williams who isn't even a #2 RB in this league, so they really just have Miller

James and Gillislee.

Being high really doesn't convince me. I heard a lot about Shelby in the last 2 preseasons and then didn't see much of him in the regular season. Same with Fede but only last year. When they prove something in the regular season then I'll get high on them, till then find someone else to compete with them.

[MikeO]

James and Gillislee.

Being high really doesn't convince me. I heard a lot about Shelby in the last 2 preseasons and then didn't see much of him in the regular season. Same with Fede but only last year. When they prove something in the regular season then I'll get high on them, till then find someone else to compete with them.

James and Gillislee is no answer...lol. Sorry to burst your bubble

Shelby is a very good player. You don't watch many games if you don't think he has earned it in the regular season. He is always making plays

[Pappy13]

James and Gillislee is no answer...lol. Sorry to burst your bubble

Depends on the question. If the question is who is your 3rd and 4th string RBs, those are fine answers.

Shelby is a very good player. You don't watch many games if you don't think he has earned it in the regular season. He is always making plays

You've drank the Kool-Aid on this defense. Next year the Dolphins will be in the bottom half of the league on the defensive side of the ball if they don't find some players and they will just get worse as Wake and Grimes get old. I correctly predicted last year Mike that as the Offense got better the defense would get worse. I predict that will happen again this year, unless somebody not on the team right now is a difference maker.

[Sunstroke]

^^^ While I agree that they could use some more meat on the defensive side of the ball, I think you might be underestimating the impact that Ndamukong Suh will have on Miami's front-7. Outside of JJ Watt, I can't think of another defensive player who has more of a positive effect on a defensive unit. He really was the single most important reason that Detroit had the #1 rush defense in the league last year.

That said, if Miami is looking late in the draft for some young "high upside" D-line prospects to groom, there are a couple of small school guys that I really like: Lynden Trail from Norfolk State, and Xavier Williams from Northern Iowa.

[MikeO]

Tonight in Rd 2 (assuming Miami doesn't trade out or down) there are only 3 positions they could possibly draft I feel

OG, LB, CB. I would put Linebacker and OG as the bigger needs but if they took Ronald Darby the CB out of FSU I would be fine with that.

[Dolphster]

MikeO, I'm ready to humbly eat crow and admit you nailed it.  Fowler did indeed go #3 last night.  I figured it would take a miracle for him to be there at #14, but I didn't think he would go #3.  I was thinking around #8.  You were right and I was wrong. 

[MikeO]

MikeO, I'm ready to humbly eat crow and admit you nailed it.  Fowler did indeed go #3 last night.  I figured it would take a miracle for him to be there at #14, but I didn't think he would go #3.  I was thinking around #8.  You were right and I was wrong. 

He was one of the handful of elite players in this draft and all the reports had Tenn and Jax drooling over him. There was never a chance he was going to fall.