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« Reply #75 on: May 06, 2015, 10:19:46 am »

Maybe, but if they had drafted him he could have refused to sign and then he could go back into the draft in 2016. It would have been a wasted pick, although to be fair, 7th round picks don't normally pan out anyway.

Ohhhh a wasted 7th round pick.  Even if the odds of him being cleared and signing was only 5%, I would roll the dice for a 1 in 20 chance at getting first round talent, rather than draft a camp body that could easily be replaced by a gazillion other UDFA.   

The chances of La'el Collins going to the probowl is greater than the chances of Xzavier Dickson ever taking a snap.   
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« Reply #76 on: May 06, 2015, 10:48:35 am »

Here is the thing guys, I don't believe it is even rolling the dice. I have no doubt the guy would have sat out. I would have if I made the threat. Yes the chances are greater Collins makes the Pro Bowl than Dickson taking a snap but the odd of Collins playing for any team that drafted him in the 7th round are 0 if you ask me.
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« Reply #77 on: May 06, 2015, 10:50:12 am »

Ohhhh a wasted 7th round pick. 

Lol...

He already made it clear he would have refused to sign. In fact, he is refusing to sign until his name is completely cleared from this murder investigation which may take up to a month.
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« Reply #78 on: May 06, 2015, 11:08:49 am »

Here is the thing guys, I don't believe it is even rolling the dice. I have no doubt the guy would have sat out. I would have if I made the threat. Yes the chances are greater Collins makes the Pro Bowl than Dickson taking a snap but the odd of Collins playing for any team that drafted him in the 7th round are 0 if you ask me.

Draft him in the 7th.  Sign him to the max allowed contract, with a wink/nod agreement that he will be either be offered a 2 year $8 million contract for 2018-2019 or released after the final game of the 2017 season (and be an unrestricted FA).  A 5 year $9 million dollar contract is better than what a late 1st round pick would get.   
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« Reply #79 on: May 06, 2015, 11:10:35 am »

Have the results of the paternity test been published?
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« Reply #80 on: May 06, 2015, 12:37:59 pm »

You'd only be guaranteeting $1.6 million for a potential top 15 talent. I don't see the significant danger.

Precisely. Our owner is a Billionaire, so what if this kid is actually guilty and goes to jail? Not huge money guaranteed. We didn't make our offseason plans around him anyway, this is just a huge bonus. They have to go all in.
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« Reply #81 on: May 06, 2015, 01:07:36 pm »

Draft him in the 7th.  Sign him to the max allowed contract, with a wink/nod agreement that he will be either be offered a 2 year $8 million contract for 2018-2019 or released after the final game of the 2017 season (and be an unrestricted FA).  A 5 year $9 million dollar contract is better than what a late 1st round pick would get.   

I don't buy into wink and nod agreements and feel sorry for people that do, especially when talking about NFL owner's winks. You must not have a very high opinion of his intelligence or the people he hired.
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« Reply #82 on: May 06, 2015, 01:09:30 pm »

Draft him in the 7th.  Sign him to the max allowed contract, with a wink/nod agreement that he will be either be offered a 2 year $8 million contract for 2018-2019 or released after the final game of the 2017 season (and be an unrestricted FA).
You mean like the wink/nod agreement Brady had with the equipment manager in charge of inflating the balls?

Not every team actively practices creative interpretation of the rules.  It's not worth taking down the team for a 7th round pick.
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« Reply #83 on: May 06, 2015, 02:12:48 pm »

Jason Cole reporting Collins wants to go someplace where he can play offensive tackle. So his earning power for his 2nd contract.

IF true that hurts Miami chances some
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« Reply #84 on: May 06, 2015, 02:40:00 pm »

Jason Cole reporting Collins wants to go someplace where he can play offensive tackle. So his earning power for his 2nd contract.

IF true that hurts Miami chances some

Where is this being reported?
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« Reply #85 on: May 06, 2015, 02:40:56 pm »

Where is this being reported?

Jason Cole works for Bleacher report.

Philly newspaper stating that Chip Kelly is now reaching out and having an LSU guy on his roster help recruit him
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« Reply #86 on: May 06, 2015, 03:22:47 pm »

Jason Cole reporting Collins wants to go someplace where he can play offensive tackle. So his earning power for his 2nd contract.

IF true that hurts Miami chances some

Miami can slide James to RG and plug Collins in at RT. Albert at LT, Pouncey at C and let everyone else compete for LG.

Or they could put Collins at LT, slide Albert to LG, Pouncey at C, James at RT, let everyone else compete for RG.

Albert played guard in college, I am sure James could man the guard position. Those guys are under contract and don't exactly have a lot of leverage as to where they line up.

I don't see this as an issue at all. The Dolphins are closing deals more often than not with Tannenbaum at the helm. They can do what it takes to acquire this kid.
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« Reply #87 on: May 06, 2015, 03:48:33 pm »


Albert seemed pretty set on playing the LT position when he came to Miami, so I imagine he wouldn't be too keen on being moved. I could definitely see James sliding in to the RG slot and plugging Collins in at RT.

All this being considered, before this whole situation unfolded, most folks thought it was likely that whoever drafted Collins would move him inside to guard anyway.

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« Reply #88 on: May 06, 2015, 04:16:59 pm »

Albert seemed pretty set on playing the LT position when he came to Miami, so I imagine he wouldn't be too keen on being moved. I could definitely see James sliding in to the RG slot and plugging Collins in at RT.

Albert already made his money, he's the best candidate to slide inside.
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« Reply #89 on: May 06, 2015, 05:42:38 pm »

Albert became disgruntled in KC (and left) because they wanted to move him.  Let's not go blowing up our best lineman (when healthy) last year for some unproven rookie who projects as a guard.
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