Brady suspended 4 games; NE loses a 1st, 4th, and $1M

[MikeO]

If this goes to court then the ballboys will be forced to testify under oath, if I were them I wouldn't want to perjure myself over this; so the real truth would come out.

The ballboys handed over their phones to the league. Brady didn't. I would think Brady is the one who doesn't want to testify.

[Dolphster]

I can almost understand Kraft still running his mouth as a way of "protecting his guy".  But Brady has some king sized balls to be busted and to be so obviously guilty and rather than just accepting it and moving on, he is acting supremely defiant about it.  Although I guess it is common in society today for the bad guy to be the "victim" so maybe it isn't all that surprising after all. 

[masterfins]

The ballboys handed over their phones to the league. Brady didn't. I would think Brady is the one who doesn't want to testify.

I don't give a crap about the phones, my point is that the ballboys will be asked if anyone instructed them to deflate the balls.  They could have lied to Wells and it doesn't mean anything, but lying in a court of law is quite a bit different.

[MikeO]

I don't give a crap about the phones, my point is that the ballboys will be asked if anyone instructed them to deflate the balls.  They could have lied to Wells and it doesn't mean anything, but lying in a court of law is quite a bit different.

They didn't lie, they handed over their phones and the proof was on the phones. It's in black and white,  they just handed over the phones and it showed the texts from Brady and what he said. The ballboys have nothing to worry about.

[EDGECRUSHER]

There is almost no way Brady DOESN'T serve the 4 games. He has nothing going for him in his appeal, and this is basically because he destroyed his phone and there is evidence that he lied when he said he always does that because he produced an old phone.

He has no master plan, the NFL for once played this beautifully, especially asking the District Court in NY to verify the suspension to try and move jurisdiction. Brady and the Pats have no plan, he is just arrogant because he has gotten away with cheating on AND off the field before and thinks he can't be taken down.

[MikeO]

There is almost no way Brady DOESN'T serve the 4 games. He has nothing going for him in his appeal, and this is basically because he destroyed his phone and there is evidence that he lied when he said he always does that because he produced an old phone.

He has no master plan, the NFL for once played this beautifully, especially asking the District Court in NY to verify the suspension to try and move jurisdiction. Brady and the Pats have no plan, he is just arrogant because he has gotten away with cheating on AND off the field before and thinks he can't be taken down.

One day Brady is asking the NFL to keep all documents regarding this matter sealed (which they laughed in his face about and denied) and the next day he wants this in court where he is on a witness stand. Either he has the worst advisers of all time  or he has taken one too many hits to the head!

[myami54]

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[MikeO]

Minnesota court where Brady and the Union filed there case acted fast giving the case to to NYC and in the hands of the court where the NFL filed it's lawsuit.  The "First-Filed" rule took effect and the Minnesota court didn't hold back.

"Indeed, the Court sees little reason for this action to have been commenced in Minnesota at all," Judge Kyle wrote. "Brady plays for a team in Massachusetts; the Union is headquartered in Washington, D.C.; the NFL is headquartered in New York; the arbitration proceedings took place in New York; and the award was issued in New York."

Huge blow to Brady with this ruling.

[Sunstroke]

^^^ Translation: Fuck you, clean up your own mess.

[masterfins]

They didn't lie, they handed over their phones and the proof was on the phones. It's in black and white,  they just handed over the phones and it showed the texts from Brady and what he said. The ballboys have nothing to worry about.

Once again I don't give a crap about the phones.  Do you think the only way that players, coaches, or management communicated with the ballboys was through text messaging???

[MikeO]

Once again I don't give a crap about the phones.  Do you think the only way that players, coaches, or management communicated with the ballboys was through text messaging???

You might not care but the league does and the court will since that is the evidence in this matter. 

This isn't a "he said-she said" because there is evidence and its the cell phones and those text messages. One side (the ball boys) provided there phones to the league as evidence when they were asked about the text messages. And those text messages show Brady to be guilty. The other side, Brady, didn't provide the phone and if he didn't want to give up the physical phone, he could have had the texts printed out and the transcripts presented, he failed to do that as well. Then he lied about it for months. He destroyed the phone March 6th (just happens to be the day he had a meeting with Ted Wells and the NFL Investigation) but didn't tell the league that info till June. If you don't see that this is the central issue here, well then you are lost and confused on the issue.

[Brian Fein]

I heard a good argument on the matter of Brady destroying his phone, and I kind of agree with it.

Remember during the Ted Wells investigation of Incognito/Dolphins?  Remember how photos from Richie's phone "leaked" of Martin grabbing strippers' asses in the club?  Remember how the entire text message chain was "released" to the public?

Maybe Brady had some private stuff on his phone he didn't want released.  Maybe he had dong shots which he sent to Giselle, or some other incriminating evidence.  Maybe there was a Tom Brady sexy time video on the phone.  Maybe he didn't want everyone to know how much kiddie porn he was watching.  Maybe TMZ was knocking on someone's door waiting to get some of that dirt.  If I'm Tom Brady, I agree, burn that phone.  There's too many leaks in a process like this - too many underlings with access to this information who could use a million bucks from an outlet like TMZ.

So, I don't necessarily have a problem with Brady destroying the phone, as long as he knows that it makes him look guilty as hell.

[Phishfan]

Brady can destroy his phone if he wants, but to lie and say it is common practice while offering up an earlier phone which was never destroyed kills his argument.

[Phishfan]

I heard a good argument on the matter of Brady destroying his phone, and I kind of agree with it.

Remember during the Ted Wells investigation of Incognito/Dolphins?  Remember how photos from Richie's phone "leaked" of Martin grabbing strippers' asses in the club?  Remember how the entire text message chain was "released" to the public?

Maybe Brady had some private stuff on his phone he didn't want released.  Maybe he had dong shots which he sent to Giselle, or some other incriminating evidence.  Maybe there was a Tom Brady sexy time video on the phone.  Maybe he didn't want everyone to know how much kiddie porn he was watching.  Maybe TMZ was knocking on someone's door waiting to get some of that dirt.  If I'm Tom Brady, I agree, burn that phone.  There's too many leaks in a process like this - too many underlings with access to this information who could use a million bucks from an outlet like TMZ.

So, I don't necessarily have a problem with Brady destroying the phone, as long as he knows that it makes him look guilty as hell.

I don't like this argument. Everything you mention as being "leaked" was part of the investigation which everyone knew was going public. We saw nothing from Incognito's phone that was not related to the investigation.

[MikeO]

Brady had his assistant destroy his phone March 6th the day he was to meet with Ted Wells (not a coincidence he destroyed it that day)....he didn't tell Wells that day he destroyed it during the meeting when Wells asked him about the phone. He didn't tell anyone until June that he destroyed it back in March. That is where he looks guilty. He led Wells and the NFL on with the fact he still had the phone when he knew he didn't!

That phone was his defense against the ball boys who provided the texts to Wells and the NFL. Brady's phone would have "confirmed" their story and the texts they provided or it would have shot there story down. Clearly...it confirms it and he destroyed the phone for a reason on the morning he was meeting with Wells and the league.

 Brady cheated. He got caught. He then lied. It's just that simple. Anyone still trying to defend him and spin this to his defense is just lost. Brady is no different than ARod, Bonds, Armstrong, Palmerio, Sosa and the others who got caught "cheating" in sports. Get caught....then lie about it. The mountain of evidence against Brady is just too much to give him the benefit of the doubt.