Brady suspended 4 games; NE loses a 1st, 4th, and $1M

[Dave Gray]

If I understand correctly, you guys are arguing the wrong thing.  Brady is challenging the NFL's procedure...not their findings.  So, even if Brady wins or loses, it won't re-open the wound.  It's just him saying that the NFL didn't go about things in the fair and proper manner.  He's not looking to dig up the content of the investigation, just to lack of due process.

[Phishfan]

Right now this is less about deflated footballs and more about lying to the league and how he hampered the league investigation.

I've said this since the start of the process.

[masterfins]

^^^ Actually he's challenging both.  He has been adamant that he knew nothing about it, and did not participate in any deflation, so it follows that he would be challenging their findings since the NFL doesn't believe him.  As for the way Goodell the dictator rules on these things I would agree with Brady, BUT it's the NFLPA that gave Goodell the power when negotiating for more money.

[masterfins]

Right now this is less about deflated footballs and more about lying to the league and how he hampered the league investigation.

Agreed, it's the battle of the HUGE ego's - Brady - Kraft - Goodell.

[EDGECRUSHER]

In general, courts are reluctant to overrule arbitrators or even hear their cases because an arbitrator is supposed to be the agreed upon final word between two parties. If the arbitrator's ruling was consistently challenged in courts, the whole system would be flooded with these cases.

[dolphins4life]

Is he free to play while this is being heard in the courts?

[EDGECRUSHER]

No, as of right now he is suspended and can't play. He can try for an injunction while this is going on but there is virtually no chance of that happening. So, he is hoping for a speedy trial. I don't know if that is likely and I really don't know what would happen if he misses 4 games and then wins the appeal somehow.

I think it will be heard before the season to prevent an issue like that from coming up.

[CF DolFan]

Sorry but Brady isn't going to going to get anything handed down to him. the choice will be to let Brady go now or drag it out until he retires. The NFL system is really bad.

US District Judge Richard Berman opened the closed-door talks on Wednesday by firing tough questions at the NFL lawyer Daniel Nash about the lack of a 'smoking gun' implicating Brady.
And he warned that, unless both sides can reach a compromise, the case could stretch until 2017.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3195198/Judge-hear-Bradys-Deflategate-suspension-settlement-talks.html#ixzz3idWY3Ry2

[EDGECRUSHER]

The Daily Mail is a tabloid. If these talks were closed door, then how did the details get out unless someone leaked it to make themselves look good?

[CF DolFan]

The Daily Mail is a tabloid. If these talks were closed door, then how did the details get out unless someone leaked it to make themselves look good?

Huh? They weren't closed doors ... it is a federal courtroom. I guess you've been in hiding for the last 24 hours and haven't seen the infamous Brady courtroom drawing?

[Tenshot13]

Huh? They weren't closed doors ... it is a federal courtroom. I guess you've been in hiding for the last 24 hours and haven't seen the infamous Brady courtroom drawing?

Must have been a bad day, he looks deflated in that picture.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Thought it said closed doors somewhere in the article.

That is an amazing drawing, almost as great as that Jesus airbrush from 5 years ago.

[CF DolFan]

Thought it said closed doors somewhere in the article.

That is an amazing drawing, almost as great as that Jesus airbrush from 5 years ago.

It was public but he did meet privately with both sides before and afterwards. Many news agencies reported conversations during the proceedings.

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NEW YORK -- A federal judge put the NFL and the players' union on the defensive Wednesday during a hearing over Tom Brady's four-game suspension, demanding to know what evidence directly linked the New England Patriots quarterback to deflating footballs and asking why they would have been deflated without Brady's knowledge.

Judge Richard M. Berman in Manhattan repeatedly asked NFL lawyer Daniel L. Nash for "direct evidence that implicates Mr. Brady" as he gave both sides a chance to state their case in the first hearing before him while at times belittling the drama of the controversy.

Nash responded there was "considerable evidence Mr. Brady clearly knew about this," including records of text messages and phone calls between the quarterback and one of two Patriots employees implicated in the scandal known as "Deflategate." But he also said there was no "smoking gun" showing Brady had direct knowledge that the balls were deflated for the first half of the Patriots' 45-7 defeat of the Indianapolis Colts in the Jan. 18 AFC championship.

[Brian Fein]

The NFL should be able to suspend anyone in the league for wearing a purple shirt, if they wanted to.  Its their league.  Of course this would get ridiculous, especially for the Vikings.  But, what does the federal court have to say over the NFL enforcing their own discipline in a league matter?  It just doesn't seem like the court should have any authority over the league's rule enforcement.

If Brady doesn't like the way the league enforces their own rules, and subsequently disciplines for them, then no one is forcing him to play in this league.

[CF DolFan]

The NFL should be able to suspend anyone in the league for wearing a purple shirt, if they wanted to.  Its their league.  Of course this would get ridiculous, especially for the Vikings.  But, what does the federal court have to say over the NFL enforcing their own discipline in a league matter?  It just doesn't seem like the court should have any authority over the league's rule enforcement.

If Brady doesn't like the way the league enforces their own rules, and subsequently disciplines for them, then no one is forcing him to play in this league.

You would think wouldn't you? Lawyers and agreements won't ever allow that to happen.