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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2015, 08:38:06 pm »

He could still play right?

Personally, that kind of stuff is not worth the risk for me

There was a picture floating around of JPP's hand online, it's f'd up bad. He will play again someday....not sure if its this year. I would think at the least he starts the year on PUP.

The guy from Tampa who lost 2 fingers is in worse shape. They were worried about him just staying alive a couple days ago it was so bad.

One report said JPP bought so many fireworks the days before July 4th he had to rent a U-Haul to transport them all.
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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2015, 09:07:38 pm »

WHY  JUST WHY?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh?

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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2015, 09:44:08 pm »

His agent says he will recover in 2 months, but that's nonsense. His finger was amputated, his thumb is broken and I believe he has had skin grafts. So, that's more than 2 months there, not including the fact that he can't lift weights during this time and he needs to learn how to pass rush missing a finger now.

It's a very big deal.
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2015, 10:41:31 am »

JPP screwed himself financially at the very least.   From what I've read, the Giants had a 5 year, $60 million offer on the table for him.  That offer was pulled shortly after the records were made public.
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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2015, 10:38:41 pm »

Bucs C.J. Wilson lost two fingers in a fireworks accident.  Word in Tampa is he's as good as gone and they are going after his signing bonus.  It wouldn't surprise me if the Giants did it for Pierre-Paul as well.  Shooting off fireworks is considered dangerous activity which is prohibited by NFL contracts.
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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2015, 11:37:03 am »

  But it's like buying goods that you know are likely stolen.  You're not breaking the law by stealing, but it's unethical and you're propping up illegal action.

Buying goods that you know are likely stolen is absolutely against the law and you can go to jail for doing so. 

If you knew or should have known the property was stolen it is a crime.  If you purchase something in good faith and it is later proven to be stolen you are not criminal liable but can still be held responsible in tort to the original owner. 
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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2015, 12:15:05 pm »

Apparently, this is the type of procedure that JPP had done on his hand:



The term "Simpsons hand" may or may not have been used.
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2015, 01:32:02 pm »

The media doesn't have to follow HIPPA standards.  And even if there was a violation, it maxes out at a 50K fine, which ESPN would just pay. 

Fines do not max out at $50,000.00 for a HIPAA violation, I'm not sure where you obtained this information.  In my world, a HIPAA violation could cost people millions, company and individual, along with civil and criminal prosecution.

You're speaking of a very garden variety HIPAA violation in which a person did not know, or understand, a violation was taking place.  And, here is the problem with this aspect of HIPAA law; they also state ignorance of the law is not an excuse for a violation.  A HIPAA violation with reasonable cause, but without neglect, is a minimum of 50k per violation and up to 1.5 million per. 

You can easily start getting into phases where the infractions are reviewed by the DOJ to see if the infraction / party / parties need to be held criminally liable under HIPAA (up to 10 years).   

Here is where the media is exempt, however this has been contested (and often), and straight from HIPAA guidelines:

"Offenses committed with the intent to sell, transfer, or use individually identifiable health information for commercial advantage, personal gain or malicious harm permit fines of $250,000, and imprisonment for up to ten years."

At the end of the day, releasing the information as a member of the media has been challenged several times under this clause, stating it is not for the release and betterment of knowledge of the people (which the exemption is intended for); rather it is being used to increase ratings and profit.  In ESPN's case, in particular, there was no reason to release medical information as the general public did not benefit medically from the news being released, however they benefitted from what is (basically) a loop hole in the HIPAA law.

Frankly, I'm not sure how ESPN obtained actual records, there is strict criteria is to what is allowed to be released and not released (and actual records, without a signed authorization from the patient, isn't part of it).

I attend HIPAA training quarterly, along with individual state regulation training on a regular basis.  Again, while initial fines may not seem imposing the rub is this; ignorance of the law is not an excuse, HIPAA is ultimately the judge, jury and executioner. 

But, either way, my original point...fines are higher than this - and I do feel ESPN crossed a line.  The only time reporters should be disclosing medical conditions is when general public health is at risk, not because your starting DE might not make your FF lineup.
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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2015, 01:37:48 pm »

Fines do not max out at $50,000.00 for a HIPAA violation, I'm not sure where you obtained this information. 


"HIPAA violations are expensive. The penalties for noncompliance are based on the level of negligence and can range from $100 to $50,000 per violation (or per record), with a maximum penalty of $1.5 million per year for violations of an identical provision.Jan 9, 2014"

https://www.truevault.com/blog/what-is-the-penalty-for-a-hipaa-violation.html
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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2015, 06:05:32 pm »

The term "Simpsons hand" may or may not have been used.

Trivia - name to the only two characters on the Simpsons with 5 fingers. 
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« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2015, 06:14:34 pm »

I know one of them is God.  I can't recall if Jebus made an appearance long enough to even notice his fingers.
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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2015, 01:02:07 pm »


"HIPAA violations are expensive. The penalties for noncompliance are based on the level of negligence and can range from $100 to $50,000 per violation (or per record), with a maximum penalty of $1.5 million per year for violations of an identical provision.Jan 9, 2014"

https://www.truevault.com/blog/what-is-the-penalty-for-a-hipaa-violation.html

Right, so you could see they weren't 50K as a blanket (IE "each time HIPAA is violated we can just pay a 50K fine and be done w/it").  That was a jump point, and subjective.
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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2015, 01:08:26 pm »

Maine, unless that article is wrong, it appears to be saying that the maximum fine for one violation is indeed $50k, with a maximum penalty per year of $1.5 million (over multiple violations of the same type).
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