Looks like I was right about Suh so far

[Cathal]

Can the players rise up and get Coyle and Philbin fired? How nice would that be.

[MikeO]

Can the players rise up and get Coyle and Philbin fired? How nice would that be.

They can but it might mean sitting through a season of 2-5 wins.

[EDGECRUSHER]

They can but it might mean sitting through a season of 2-5 wins.

I would much rather have 2 wins than 8 wins. 2 wins means change is coming about. 8 wins means they maintain the status quo and just tweak things.

[masterfins]

Don't worry, if Miami doesn't make the playoffs AND win a playoff game this year, Philbin will be fired.

[CF DolFan]

I don't have an issue with Wake sitting. The D-line got better when the second team came in against Washington. These guys obviously need something to get motivated as they have been getting bitch slapped by everyone they face. Reputation doesn't win games.   

Edited to say Philbin just reiterated that Wake was hurt.

Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly  3h3 hours ago
Joe Philbin said Cam Wake didn't play in the second half because of the hamstring issue, which is impacting his performance.

[CF DolFan]

Is that true?  Every time I saw him, he was double teamed.  I could have missed his 1v1 matchups though.

Saw this this morning and thought of you. It's a perfect example of Suh getting killed on a 1v1 and them making a big play.

https://instagram.com/p/77t1QYhZhvppZBJkzyVZV5GUOaKm10wH9yFFY0/

One of the best questions I've seen raised is that maybe the caliber of guards he is completing against in practice isn't getting him ready to compete on Sunday? It really doesn't help him if he can coast in practice and still be dominant.

[bsmooth]

Suh started out the same last season for the first two games, and then came alive.

[Dave Gray]

Also, we can't really judge Suh on sacks.  That position, in general, doesn't get a lot like defensive ends do.  It's more pressures and disruption.  It won't be as easily measurable as some of you might like.
 

[Tenshot13]

Also, we can't really judge Suh on sacks.  That position, in general, doesn't get a lot like defensive ends do.  It's more pressures and disruption.  It won't be as easily measurable as some of you might like.
 

This exactly.  Wilfork's most sacks in a season is only 3.5, but people still considered him an all-pro because of the disruptions he'd cause.  Same thing with Suh.

[Phishfan]

No one here is even mentioning sacks except for people sticking up for Suh. I'd settle for seeing him do anything. He isn't making tackles, he isn't getting pressure, he isn't freeing the linebackers. Just do something.

[Dave Gray]

^ Yeah, totally.  I was just saying that Suh's ineffectiveness and the "we only have 1 sack in two games" get brought up together, but they are necessarily the same problem.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

This exactly.  Wilfork's most sacks in a season is only 3.5, but people still considered him an all-pro because of the disruptions he'd cause.  Same thing with Suh.

True, but many of the sacks that NEP DEs got was because of the disruptions that Wilfork caused in the middle.  Suh doesn't have to sack the QB to be effective, if the QB is sacked b/c Suh was double teamed and pushing the QB out of the pocket allowing someone else to sack him he would be an effective tackle. That is not happening. 

[Tenshot13]

True, but many of the sacks that NEP DEs got was because of the disruptions that Wilfork caused in the middle.  Suh doesn't have to sack the QB to be effective, if the QB is sacked b/c Suh was double teamed and pushing the QB out of the pocket allowing someone else to sack him he would be an effective tackle. That is not happening. 

This is exactly what I said...

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

With Suh (and any other players) to determine how good he is you need to look at both the positive and the negative.

Yes, in Detroit he was a disruptive force in the middle.  He can sack the QB and tackle runners behind the LOS. 

But when you take all the positive he did and subtract things like, giving the the opposing team a first down and 15 yards for penalties his overall effectiveness drops to merely being an average player.

If you tackle runner on first and 10 2 yards behind the LOS but then after the ball is dead you get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct, you hurt rather than helped your team.   

[MikeO]

With Suh (and any other players) to determine how good he is you need to look at both the positive and the negative.

Yes, in Detroit he was a disruptive force in the middle.  He can sack the QB and tackle runners behind the LOS. 

But when you take all the positive he did and subtract things like, giving the the opposing team a first down and 15 yards for penalties his overall effectiveness drops to merely being an average player.

If you tackle runner on first and 10 2 yards behind the LOS but then after the ball is dead you get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct, you hurt rather than helped your team.   

He hasn't had a personal foul penalty in 3 games with the Dolphins, so until he gets one with the Fins its a non issue