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« on: September 21, 2015, 12:36:01 pm »

A team ultimately takes on the personality of its coach.  There is no right way; coaches can be successful in any number of ways.  You can be Bellichek, relentless in a quest for domination.  You can be Sean Payton, the smartest guy in the room.  You can be a guy who played and is reaching the players by knowing what they're going through.  You can just be a regular guy who connects on a personal level.  You can be Rex Ryan, the great motivator.  You can be Coughlin, the strict disciplinarian.

Or you can be Philbin.  You can be emotionless, relatively competent but without the spine to put your boot to the throat of your opponent, unwilling to take a chance against teams that you should be, unable to effectively outsmart the opposing coach in a gameplan.  He plays to his own weaknesses.  He has no identity, thus we have none.

We have an improved roster and we look like exactly the same team.

Only two games in, it's apparent that he needs to go.
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2015, 12:37:51 pm »

he needed to go after last year.

As i said, back to back loses to the Bills and Jets (with this o-line and secondary I fully expect) heading into the Bye week and I think Philibin is gone by Columbus Day.
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2015, 01:16:08 pm »

Hate to say it, but if Miami gets blown out by both the Bills and Jets you are probably right.  But I think Miami will at least eek out a win against the Jets.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2015, 01:49:45 pm »

I think after these past 2 games against mediocre to bad teams it is evident this team is not prepared and Philbin should take the fall for that!!!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2015, 07:54:27 pm »

Lets just hope when it does happen that Ross is not picking the new coach. After the 2011 season Ireland wanted to hire McCoy but Ross wanted Philbin so that's who we got.
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2015, 08:28:10 pm »

Who would be available in Week 4 and the offseason anyway? I imagine Lazor gets the promotion because no one respects Coyle. If he doesn't do a good job, then who is available?
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2015, 10:03:40 pm »

I am not convinced our GM is honest.

Could he be trying to sabotage the team?

Why do you extend such a stupid coach after two disappointing seasons?
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2015, 10:18:35 pm »

I think if this season ends in failure, obviously Philbin has to go.  After 4, 5, etc games, I don't know if we can him or not.  Like someone said, who would be available and if you do fire him, the interim coach knows he's not getting the job, so you might as well end the season with him.  Don't get me wrong, I think it would suck, but it what it is.

What you have in Philbin is a passion-less coach, a coach that plays the number, soft-spoken and not aggressive.  His team seems to take on his personae.  Regular season:    24–26 (.480)  That says it all right there.  That is the epitome of mediocrity.

I have a scoring system for the rest of the year with regards to wins & loses.  On a scale from +3 to -3.  A great win or dominant win would be max +3 pts.  A real shitty loss is worth -3. And anything else would be between those nos.

I look at the WAS win as a 0.  Nice to get a win, but it did nothing for the over all look of the team.  Now, the loss on Sunday? That's a -3 game fore sure.

So right now, Philbin's in the hole -3 pts.  I think in order for him to keep his job and show he's moving in the right direction, he's got to be in the + high teens to 20s.  Anything in the negative realm -10 or higher, he's got to go.

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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2015, 10:35:41 pm »

I get the points about the interim coach probably not keeping the job, but what do you have to lose? Philbin was stupidly extended, I think everyone agrees on that by this point. So far, looks like another lost season. Let's just say we lose the next 2 and go into the bye at 1-3, what do we have to lose by firing Philbin? At that point, it should be obvious to everyone he sucks and has to go. So, you turn a guaranteed 6-8 win season and perhaps get lucky and turn it around. Maybe Lazor is a good head coach and the players respond. If not....so what? What did we lose?

I will always take the unknown over the known failure.
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2015, 06:19:19 am »

I am not convinced our GM is honest.

Could he be trying to sabotage the team?

Why do you extend such a stupid coach after two disappointing seasons?

The GM didn't give the coach the contract. He has no say in who the coach is
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2015, 08:19:38 am »

This is not an overreaction. More like a delayed reaction.

Philbin should have not been the coach this season.
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2015, 09:21:42 am »

Welcome to the party, pal. It will be especially devastating to lose to The Jets, because Todd Bowles was Miami's Head Coach, and we basically fired him to hire Joe "The Ostrich." The players simply do not want to play for this guy. Ross announced Clueless Joe would return for 2015 in week 16 last year, after the Fins managed to pull out a win versus the Vikes, who were playing with a Rookie QB and no AP. The next week we get blown out by Geno Smith and the Jets. I'd say that should've been the first clue, but that was really Clue 37 or 38.
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2015, 10:33:19 am »

Welcome to the party, pal. It will be especially devastating to lose to The Jets, because Todd Bowles was Miami's Head Coach, and we basically fired him to hire Joe "The Ostrich." The players simply do not want to play for this guy. Ross announced Clueless Joe would return for 2015 in week 16 last year, after the Fins managed to pull out a win versus the Vikes, who were playing with a Rookie QB and no AP. The next week we get blown out by Geno Smith and the Jets. I'd say that should've been the first clue, but that was really Clue 37 or 38.

ALL. OF. THIS.

Could be the players are showing their dissatisfaction with the coach by not winning or trying hard as hell to lose.
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2015, 11:31:33 am »

I get the points about the interim coach probably not keeping the job, but what do you have to lose? Philbin was stupidly extended, I think everyone agrees on that by this point. So far, looks like another lost season. Let's just say we lose the next 2 and go into the bye at 1-3, what do we have to lose by firing Philbin?
Ross is still trying to rehabilitate his image after the debacle with Sparano and Harbaugh.  I don't think he'll fire Philbin mid-season, under any (football-related) circumstance.
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2015, 12:28:16 pm »

Ross is still trying to rehabilitate his image after the debacle with Sparano and Harbaugh.  I don't think he'll fire Philbin mid-season, under any (football-related) circumstance.

Agree. But if they are 1-7 or 2-9....then he can fire him and nobody would bat an eyelash and it would be understandable. Not like Philbin just got here its year 4
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