Overreaction: Philbin has to go.

[Tenshot13]

I think Philbin is a fine coach.

[Dave Gray]

I think if we lose to both the Bills and Jets and start 1-3, that you should swing the axe right there.

[Tenshot13]

I think if we lose to both the Bills and Jets and start 1-3, that you should swing the axe right there.

I was kidding when I said Philbin was a fine coach, but man, that's an overreaction. At least give him until the middle of the season.

[Dave Gray]

I was kidding when I said Philbin was a fine coach, but man, that's an overreaction. At least give him until the middle of the season.

I have never asked for a coach to be fired in the middle of a season...ever.  (And I'm not asking for it now.)  But this is year 4.  Under normal circumstances, I would agree that you wait.  But if you wait the whole year, that means Tannehill starts fresh again next year.  I'd rather jump-start that now and send a message that we demand more.  The last time we canned a guy mid-season, the interim did pretty well.  Now he coaches the Jets.

I manage people and am responsible for firing.  I've learned over the years that once you realize that someone is not salvageable, that it's better to move on that decision as quickly as possible.  Waiting to get rid of someone that you know is not a good fit just slows down everything and makes the transition harder.  Do it like a Band-Aid.

[Phishfan]

But if you wait the whole year, that means Tannehill starts fresh again next year.  I'd rather jump-start that now and send a message that we demand more. 

I expect Lazer would be the interim and I wouldn't expect him to get the head job so Tannehill starts over anyway. The only thing you are doing is showing you demand more.

That said, if we start 1-3, I'm ready to make the change. I've never been a big Philbin supporter but have been short of yelling for his head.

[MikeO]

Fires usually come around BYE Weeks. A 1-3 start then a bye week is the perfect time to send him packing.

if not at that point then I would suspect after the Thursday night game AT New England. Cause its a 10 day stretch till the next game

[Brian Fein]

I don't see Bill Lazor taking over as head coach.  Like Phish said, there's no jump start benefit and you're mailing it in at week 5.  Remember how miserable the Patriots were the first 4 weeks of last season?

We aren't the Patriots, I know, but what do you gain from having a stop-gap coach for 11 weeks, and then finding some hot shot college a-hole or some retread coordinator?

[Rich]

I don't see Bill Lazor taking over as head coach.  Like Phish said, there's no jump start benefit and you're mailing it in at week 5.  Remember how miserable the Patriots were the first 4 weeks of last season?

We aren't the Patriots, I know, but what do you gain from having a stop-gap coach for 11 weeks, and then finding some hot shot college a-hole or some retread coordinator?

So are you proposing never firing Philbin?

[Dave Gray]

I want to stress that I never think this way.  I never have called for a coach's head during the season in any sport.  But, record aside, even -- this team has an improved roster, without improved play.  Philbin doesn't have the results, he doesn't have the love of his players, it seems...and if he goes 1-3, you'll have full understanding of the media and the fans -- it's a clean break.  Once you know it's a certainty...and let's be real.  If you have a poor showing at Washington, then lose to Jacksonville unimpressively, then in-division losses to the Bills and Jets, at home (or London...whatever),  then it's apparent that you're not going to keep the guy.  Get it over with.  At least that way, the media won't be in every player's face for the rest of the year asking about their coach.

[MikeO]

I want to stress that I never think this way.  I never have called for a coach's head during the season in any sport.  But, record aside, even -- this team has an improved roster, without improved play. 

It's not improved roster in many areas. And the o-line is what matters most. Also the LB's aren't improved, same group as last year really, just moved Misi to the outside. With no Delmas secondary is worse.


Three of the biggest flaws from last year and Hickey did little to noting. No safety depth, had faith in Billy Turner/Dallas Thomas, and didn't add one quality LB who could possibly start.

Hickey rolled the dice on a 2nd year Safety from LIBERTY to be the answer. A 2nd year offensive linemen from NORTH DAKOTA ST who sucked so bad last year he couldn't sniff the field even after all the injuries we had. Nothing against small school guys but you can't count on them this much where you think "your set" and just ignore the position.

WR and TE's are improved. D-line and d-line depth (when healthy) is improved. Even the CB depth is improved to be honest. Rest of the areas were not upgraded. O-line being the one that you can't overcome

[Pappy13]

I think if we lose to both the Bills and Jets and start 1-3, that you should swing the axe right there.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Miami sweep the Bills and Jets in the next 2 games. At some point they have to start playing better and the Dolphins usually start playing better when they aren't the favorite because they all get big heads when the media starts picking them to win. When they are picked to lose is usually when they show up to play. The Jets and Bills are both playing over their heads. If there's one thing I know about the NFL is that it stands for not for long. I see a change in fortunes coming the next 2 weeks.

[BuccaneerBrad]

A lot of Bucs fans think that Lovie Smith is the same way.  No emotion or personality.  After the debacle against Tennessee, they wanted him gone right there.  They miss the days of John Gruden who coached with passion and fire. 

[Tenshot13]

A lot of Bucs fans think that Lovie Smith is the same way.  No emotion or personality.  After the debacle against Tennessee, they wanted him gone right there.  They miss the days of John Gruden who coached with passion and fire. 

I think more miss Dungy who had no emotion or personality.

[Brian Fein]

So are you proposing never firing Philbin?

Nope. I'm proposing to fire him after another miserable season.  To fire him in Week 5 is giving up with 70% of the season left to play, unless you think he is the reason why they are losing and firing him is the only way to recover. 

I was just emphasizing that Dave's contention of "getting a head start" on next season is a fallacy.

[Dave Gray]

Nope. I'm proposing to fire him after another miserable season.  To fire him in Week 5 is giving up with 70% of the season left to play, unless you think he is the reason why they are losing and firing him is the only way to recover. 

It's this as well.  The season is still salvageable after 4 weeks.  A new coach can provide a spark.  It also keeps the cameras out of a developing QB's face about his coach.