So you want to fire Philbin ...

[MikeO]

Tannenbaum is responsible fur drafting a DT (among other things) instead of something we needed this year. He has no business deciding our future. He doesn't deserve it and if Ross keeps him then he is continuing down the road of half ass changes and expecting different results for no reason.

Stop, I am not blaming Tannenbaum for drafting a kid in Rd 2. That's on Hickey. That's like blaming all of Ireland's bad picks on Parcells.  And if Tannenbaum did make that call (which we have no way of knowing) that is not a good decision but also not the root of this problem

[EDGECRUSHER]

I would promote Lazor, he is a ballbuster that may motivate these guys. Philbin is on Prozac and deserved to be fired last year, his extension was an absolute joke.

I really don't care who they replace him with, just get him out of there now and throw a shitload of money at someone in the offseason if Lazor or whoever don't turn this team around into a contender. If Lazor takes us to 11 wins somehow, then great, keep him.

Anything is better than this.

[CF DolFan]

Stop, I am not blaming Tannenbaum for drafting a kid in Rd 2. That's on Hickey. That's like blaming all of Ireland's bad picks on Parcells.  And if Tannenbaum did make that call (which we have no way of knowing) that is not a good decision but also not the root of this problem

He did make that call. That's not an assumption or if it is then it's an assumption by people very close to the situation.

It may not be the root but it is a problem. As the main guy ... even if he didn't make the pick he allowed it to happen and that falls on him. Either way  we don't need to bring anyone new in and tell them they have to work with any failed piece of this clog. we need new blood, ideas and culture. Not someone who has already failed here and not someone who had the agenda to fail so they can bring in one of their own like a Mangini. We need to get the stank off.

[MikeO]

He did make that call. That's not an assumption or if it is then it's an assumption by people very close to the situation.

It may not be the root but it is a problem. As the main guy ... even if he didn't make the pick he allowed it to happen and that falls on him. Either way  we don't need to bring anyone new in and tell them they have to work with any failed piece of this clog. we need new blood, ideas and culture. Not someone who has already failed here and not someone who had the agenda to fail so they can bring in one of their own like a Mangini. We need to get the stank off.

Im not gonna blame the guy who has been here a short time and didn't hire the GM or head coach. Sorry. You can point fingers to a lot of people, Tannenbaum isn't one of them who deserves blame for this dumpster fire.

Until you can provide proof that Tannenbaum was 100% the reason for the Jordan Phillips pick I'm not buying it as I follow this team every day and this is the first I am hearing of it.  So no offense, gonna have to back that up some how. And besides that pick, while not something I would have done also not the reason for this dumpster fire. Tannenabum didn't pick Billy Turner. And isn't the reason they didn't upgrade the o-line enough and rolled with Dallas Thomas for another year. Or find a back-up swing tackle to back up Albert/James and left us with Jason Fox.  Tannenbaum isn't the reason they didn't bring in a quality LB to compete when we had no linebackers last year and decided the same bunch was "good enough." That's not Tannenbaum

[CF DolFan]

Im not gonna blame the guy who has been here a short time and didn't hire the GM or head coach. Sorry. You can point fingers to a lot of people, Tannenbaum isn't one of them who deserves blame for this dumpster fire.

Until you can provide proof that Tannenbaum was 100% the reason for the Jordan Phillips pick I'm not buying it as I follow this team every day and this is the first I am hearing of it.  So no offense, gonna have to back that up some how. And besides that pick, while not something I would have done also not the reason for this dumpster fire. Tannenabum didn't pick Billy Turner. And isn't the reason they didn't upgrade the o-line enough and rolled with Dallas Thomas for another year. Or find a back-up swing tackle to back up Albert/James and left us with Jason Fox.  Tannenbaum isn't the reason they didn't bring in a quality LB to compete when we had no linebackers last year and decided the same bunch was "good enough." That's not Tannenbaum

Omar said today that Tannenbaum was the one negotiating with Mathis and chose not to sign him. Also blamed Tannebaum for not upgrading the O-line when others were requesting it. Keep paying attention and you'll see what I was talking about as the more things fall apart the more "insders" are going to leak information.  Tannenbaum is 100% responsible for where this team ended up talent wise this year.

[MikeO]

Omar said today that Tannenbaum was the one negotiating with Mathis and chose not to sign him. Also blamed Tannebaum for not upgrading the O-line when others were requesting it. Keep paying attention and you'll see what I was talking about as the more things fall apart the more "insders" are going to leak information.  Tannenbaum is 100% responsible for where this team ended up talent wise this year.

I wouldn't call Omar an "insider" but ok. Thanks for the info. Not sure I buy it but thanks for sharing it

[CF DolFan]

I wouldn't call Omar an "insider" but ok. Thanks for the info. Not sure I buy it but thanks for sharing it

Lol ... where did I say Omar was an insider? He gets his info from team officials, players, spouses, and other relatives just like the other beat writers do ... but you know that.

[masterfins]

Like Dave I've never been a knee jerk fan yelling to fire a coach, GM, or player whenever things aren't going well.  I'd be okay if the Fins had squeaked out a win against Jax, and lost a close game to Buffalo.  But this team is just so poorly prepared, and lacking intensity; and that comes from the top of the coaching staff down.

For one of the few times in my life I'm hoping the Dolphins get blown out by the Jets so that there is no doubt about firing Philbin after the game, and hopefully Coyle with him.

[Pappy13]

I don't want Philbin fired, at least not right now. I want Coyle fired and you can replace him with damn near anyone and it would be an improvement.  At the end of the season depending on the how the rest of the season goes, you can get rid of Philbin and Lazor too and just start from scratch. Hell if whomever you choose to replace Coyle comes in and fixes the defense or even makes it better, I'm all for giving him a shot as head coach. Just get rid of Coyle. That's 50% of the problem at least. 30 points per game since game 12 of last year.

[CF DolFan]

I don't want Philbin fired, at least not right now. I want Coyle fired and you can replace him with damn near anyone and it would be an improvement.  At the end of the season depending on the how the rest of the season goes, you can get rid of Philbin and Lazor too and just start from scratch. Hell if whomever you choose to replace Coyle comes in and fixes the defense or even makes it better, I'm all for giving him a shot as head coach. Just get rid of Coyle. That's 50% of the problem at least. 30 points per game since game 12 of last year.

But it is not going to fix our lack of talent and the refusal of the front office to fix the O-line. I can't rememebr who but I read an article stating how the Patriots would trade for offensive linemen if they were in our predicament while our front office refuses to admit it's even a problem.

[fyo]

I want Coyle fired and you can replace him with damn near anyone and it would be an improvement.

This was my thought as well. However, in the middle of the season, you'd generally promote someone from within, but looking at the coaching staff, I'm not seeing any obvious candidates:

Lou Anarumo - Defensive Backs Coach: 4th year with the Dolphins, all in this role. 11 years in the same role in college, at Marshall and Purdue. Plus another 10 years in mostly the same role at Harvard and the US Merchant Marine Academy.

Jeff Burris - Defensive Assistant: 10 seasons as an NFL cornerback. 3rd year with the Dolphins, all in this role. Only two years coaching experience prior to that.

Mark Duffner - Linebackers Coach: 2nd year with the Dolphins. 17 years in the same role with various other NFL teams. Prior to that a run-and-shoot HC at Maryland, known for lots of offense and pathetic defense. Some defensive coaching experience prior to that at various colleges.

Terrell Williams - Defensive Line: 1st year with the Dolphins. Previously with the Raiders for a couple of years in the same role. Prior to that about 10 years of college coaching at the same position.

Duffner is the one with the most defensive experience, but his Maryland legacy scares me. He also has an extensive history of working with Philbin and Coyle. I actually think the linebackers have done fairly well (relatively speaking), so maybe he would be a reasonable choice. Listening to interviews with him, he seems like a smart enough guy, although he does say an awful low of good things about Philbin (but what else would you expect someone to say about their boss?).

[Rich]

You can't make the special teams coach the HC.  If you have that little confidence in your OC/DC, why even bother firing Philbin in the first place?  Might as well just ride out the season.

John Harbaugh moved from ST Coach to Head Coach.

[Phishfan]

John Harbaugh moved from ST Coach to Head Coach.

This was already covered in the first five posts of the thread.

[Rich]

This was already covered in the first five posts of the thread.

Great. I still felt the need to respond.

[Rich]

Btw, Darren Rizzi and Mark Duffner are the only assistants with head coaching experience that I can think of...

Lazor and Coyle don't have any and even if Coyle did, he has zero credibility. The fact is this team has taken on the personality of its head coach. To have ANY chance to make the playoffs, that personality has to be eradicated.