Tannehill

[CF DolFan]

Over the past three years, Andrew Luck has more combined hits and sacks than Tannehill. At some point, Miami fans need to realize that RT is part of the problem.

No offense but I think you are full of crap. I'd have to see real proof to belive that. Luck habn't even played in most of the games this year and he definitely didn't beat him out the last two years.

Jay Fiedler had his best year in 2001 and went 11-5. He had 20 TDs and 19 Interceptions and threw for less than 3,300 yards. Tannehill has 22 TDs and 12 INTs and has thrown for almost 3,900 yards with one game to go. He already has a 4000 yard season.

While I don't think you won't find anyone to say he doesn't have some issues ... to date Tannehill is light years ahead of any other QB we have had since Marino. Until we give him a running game, a defense and an offensive line I think we we should leave that position alone and focus on things that are in worse shape.

[dolphins4life]

That defense was so good in 2001.

I remember that season, Wannestedt really messed things up big time. 

[EKnight]

No offense but I think you are full of crap. I'd have to see real proof to belive that. Luck habn't even played in most of the games this year and he definitely didn't beat him out the last two years.

It's fairly common knowledge. I've seen it reported multiple times over the past few seasons, and I've brought it up on these very boards, but as you wish, here's your proof:

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2015/5/19/8625013/andrew-luck-has-been-knocked-down-more-than-any-other-quarterback-over-past-three-years-colts
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/11/28/protecting-andrew-luck-colts-have-had-issues-safeguarding-their-young-franchise-qb/
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/85922194/nfl-obscure-stats-leaders-andrew-luck-lesean-mccoy-lavonte-david

Now not all three sites have the same totals, but they all agree- sacks+hits, Luck has more than Tannehill. NFL.com also lists OL stats that show similar numbers. And while I get that RT has put up nice little yardage and TD numbers, he is 28-35 for his career. That's a worse record than Alex Smith, Rex Grossman, Mark Sanchez, and Matt Schaub. This is the guy who got paid $96 million dollars? Really?

[Run Ricky Run]

Eknight, next year will be his breakout year!  It is time to cut bait with him.  He is not going to be a person who is going to lead a team to a superbowl. He can play a small part in a super bowl team, but so can 30 other people.  No reason to waste money on him.

[mecadonzilla]

RT is definitely part of the problem.  Yes, he has a bad line.  He also takes a lot of sacks he shouldn't, which makes the line look even worse.  At some point, he has to rise beyond his obstacles if he is to be considered, at least, good.  His biggest problems are that he's not a leader or a playmaker.  He's a cog that is best used for a well oiled machine.  He can't win games for his team.  He can only win games his team puts him in position to win.  If every other part is working, he can make the machine look good.  He is Jay Fiedler with less intelligence and a much better arm.  Basically, he's an average QB who can make all the throws, but lacks every other part of what makes a QB a game changer.

This team lacks so many other pieces, though, that an average QB is not at the top of the list of what's holding the franchise back.

[CF DolFan]

This team lacks so many other pieces, though, that an average QB is not at the top of the list of what's holding the franchise back.

Exactly. You have a rookie guard, who isn't very good and has never played center at any level, starting at center for you and one of the worst defenses in the league ... You're best QB in 16 years isn't the first place you start.

[Run Ricky Run]

He's not better than Pennington and I would take Fiedler over him.

[CF DolFan]

I would take Fiedler over him.

That's hilarious to begin with and even funnier because I just got done listening to Wanny explaining how Feidler had everything going for him and Tannehill doesn't have any help. Tannehill "can" make every throw and can run while Fielder couldn't even throw an 10 yard and out pattern.  OMG ... he would have loved to have had Tannehill with a Ricky Williams running game and a defense led by Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, Zach Thomas, Tim Bowens and Jason Taylor.

[yuppi]

That's hilarious to begin with and even funnier because I just got done listening to Wanny explaining how Feidler had everything going for him and Tannehill doesn't have any help. Tannehill "can" make every throw and can run while Fielder couldn't even throw an 10 yard and out pattern.  OMG ... he would have loved to have had Tannehill with a Ricky Williams running game and a defense led by Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, Zach Thomas, Tim Bowens and Jason Taylor.

yeah people dont realize how loaded Fiedler's team was.
Wanny was part of the problem, but Fiedler definetly didn't help.
He was worse than your avg game manager cause his arm shackled him.

RT woulda been money with that team.
RT still is just an avg QB though.

[Run Ricky Run]

Tannehill could have all that and still manage to lose the game. Tannehillis not smart enough to read anything except the most basic defense. His QB intelligence rivals Henne. How did all Fiedlers backups fare?  Everybody kept calling for them, Lucas,Gruese etc and all of them shut the bed when they came in. Matt Moore would lead this team to a better record than Tannheill right now.

[CF DolFan]

Tannehill could have all that and still manage to lose the game. Tannehillis not smart enough to read anything except the most basic defense. His QB intelligence rivals Henne. How did all Fiedlers backups fare?  Everybody kept calling for them, Lucas,Gruese etc and all of them shut the bed when they came in. Matt Moore would lead this team to a better record than Tannheill right now.

Seriously ... how do you explain Tannehill's numbers are much better with way less offense to help him? I'm shaking my head and I don't mean that figuratively. That's as crazy as saying that Landry sucks when he has 104 catches for 1,085 yards and four touchdowns this season.  I'm not smart enough to dumb it down to argue with that.

Just for fun I looked up Pennington's best game. He only threw over 3000 yards 3 times in his career(3120,3352,3653) while Ryan has thrown over 4000 twice assuming he plays this week. He is averaging almost 3,800 yards a season with one game left to play. I mean he was peeing blood and still played last week so I'm guessing he plays this week. Anyway ...

Pennington's best game - Sun 9/9/07   Jets vs NE
L 14-38   16/21   167yards   76.2 com %    2TD    130.5QBR


Tannehill's best game - 10/25/15    HOU   
W   44-26   18/19   282yards   94.7com%    4TD   158.3QBR   

I feel kind of odd for defending him but I think many people have the idea if he isn't Dan Marino, Tom Brady or even Andrew Luck then he is absolute garbage ... and that just isn't true.

[MaineDolFan]

Tannehill is an okay quarterback.  Here is the problem - this team has so many holes and deficiencies an "okay" quarterback is hard to hide.  One of the largest issues with this team is the front office, which trickles down to the coaching staff (all of them); this morphs into game day issues and putting players in the best situations to win on game day, which does not happen in Miami.

I've read a couple different times that Tannehill needs a running game.  Additionally, I've read he needs a better offensive line. 

Miami has two all-pro players on the offensive line.  Two.  At key positions.  A lot of teams would die to have that productivity at those positions.  Better coaching would be able to utilize the strengths of those positions, which then elevates the play around them.  We have a former pro-bowler (and still very capable) tight end.  The offensive line isn't talent, it's coaching.

Miami has a lot of talent at running back.  Is someone going to seriously tell me Lamar Miller isn't a threat in the back field?

Miami has talent, and a lot of it, at WR.

Miami has A LOT of talent on the defensive side of the ball.

I've always wondered what would happen to this exact roster if the New England, Arizona, or Seattle coaching staff came in and run this team, with this roster.  Under the proper coaching, playing to each player's strengths, this is easily an 11 win team.

Say what you will about New England - they have a mantra which is very valuable: "Do your job."  That's all anyone is expected to do, but you're expected to be the best.  Even if you're the towel boy, you better be the best G-D towel boy in the league.  If you aren't, they will replace you. Period.  If you're the assistant to the assistant, ASSISTANT defensive back coach, responsible for nothing other than breaking down random film of other teams check offs, and then having it drawn up in "what if" scenarios for the scout team, it better be spot on.  That's exactly how they caught on to the play Seattle liked to run, and how Butler had practiced the play that ended the Super Bowl.  Every person focuses on exactly what they should do and if you don't, you're gone...no matter who you are.

With Miami I see a mish-mosh of people in positions they aren't ready for, players doing things they shouldn't be doing, playing out of their heads and being put into positions they shouldn't be put into...week after week after week after week. 

Until we have a competent front office, who then hires a competent coaching staff, this will never change.  Once we do, Tannehill will be fine.  He's an okay QB, you can win with him. Problem is, there are 11 guys on a football field - each one has to do their job at the same time in order for anything to work.  Right now, none of them are.

[Run Ricky Run]

Seriously ... how do you explain Tannehill's numbers are much better with way less offense to help him? I'm shaking my head and I don't mean that figuratively. That's as crazy as saying that Landry sucks when he has 104 catches for 1,085 yards and four touchdowns this season.  I'm not smart enough to dumb it down to argue with that.

Just for fun I looked up Pennington's best game. He only threw over 3000 yards 3 times in his career(3120,3352,3653) while Ryan has thrown over 4000 twice assuming he plays this week. He is averaging almost 3,800 yards a season with one game left to play. I mean he was peeing blood and still played last week so I'm guessing he plays this week. Anyway ...

Pennington's best game - Sun 9/9/07   Jets vs NE
L 14-38   16/21   167yards   76.2 com %    2TD    130.5QBR


Tannehill's best game - 10/25/15    HOU   
W   44-26   18/19   282yards   94.7com%    4TD   158.3QBR   

I feel kind of odd for defending him but I think many people have the idea if he isn't Dan Marino, Tom Brady or even Andrew Luck then he is absolute garbage ... and that just isn't true.

Pennington never had more than 500 attempts in a season. So yes. Seeing how Tannehill is in a pass happy offense of course he is going to have more yards in a season. Are you really that dense to argue that Tannehill is a better qb than Pennington was?  And Landry is not good. Catching 100 2 yard passes doesn't make him good. His yard per target is abysmal.

[DaLittle B]

I don't see near the talent Maine Does,but I'll go with it,and agree with where he's going about the front office coaching staff...

I feel my biggest trait I want in the next coach is the brains to be adaptable to the team he has.Trying to make a square peg fit in a triangle hole is a disaster.

[Sunstroke]

I've read a couple different times that Tannehill needs a running game.  Additionally, I've read he needs a better offensive line. 

Tannehill has a running game...and the running game needs a better offensive line.

Miami has two all-pro players on the offensive line.  Two.  At key positions.  A lot of teams would die to have that productivity at those positions. 

Not a single member of this Miami roster will be an all-pro this season. Miami didn't have any all-pros on their O-line last year either...or the year before. Maybe what you meant was that Miami has a couple of offensive linemen who used to be considered all pro caliber.

They certainly aren't any more.