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« on: January 10, 2016, 02:14:53 pm »

Comes from Armando, but this doesn't seem to be his opinion, this seems to be the opinions of some people inside the organization and it does make a lot of sense especially going back to last year and Philbin. I thought it extremely strange last year when Philbin wouldn't name Tannehill his starter, but now it seems that's because Tannehill wasn't the QB he wanted. The only question I have now is why in the world didn't they start looking for Philbin's replacement last year?

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2016/01/gase-to-address-miami-dolphins-quarterback-head-coach-relationship.html

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2016, 02:48:39 pm »

So, Philbin was essentially the worst people person in the NFL. Instead of trying to coach difficult players, he wanted to get rid of them.

He didn't even call his own plays as OC in Green Bay. He may be done in this league.
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2016, 05:50:39 pm »

In fact, when the Dolphins hired Dan Marino and Marino seemed to get close to Tannehill, Philbin resented it. He wanted only offensive coordinator Bill Lazor and QB coach Zac Taylor in Tannehill's ear.

Ths is just crazy to me. You'd think he'd figure out a way to work with Marino.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2016, 09:48:54 pm »

In fact, when the Dolphins hired Dan Marino and Marino seemed to get close to Tannehill, Philbin resented it. He wanted only offensive coordinator Bill Lazor and QB coach Zac Taylor in Tannehill's ear.

Ths is just crazy to me. You'd think he'd figure out a way to work with Marino.

Because he is an idiot. Once we look back at everything in a few years, he may be one of the worst coaches we've ever had. Maybe even worse than Cam Cameron because that team sucked.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2016, 12:15:36 am »

Cam Cameron didn't trade MIA's best players for peanuts because he didn't want to coach them, so that's a point in his favor.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2016, 08:51:09 am »

I saw this yesterday,and my first reaction was...Yeah,Wow..ok...but.I kept thinking about how this sounds more like sour grapes from someone being fired,or pissed they didn't get the head coaching job.

I feel it does nothing other than feed the shitstains,and tarnish the organization more going forward.

I guess this what happens when your owners,and front office tries to win the off season every year.
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2016, 09:00:17 am »

So, Philbin was essentially the worst people person in the NFL. Instead of trying to coach difficult players, he wanted to get rid of them.

He didn't even call his own plays as OC in Green Bay. He may be done in this league.

This is the stuff I kept saying early in Philbin's tenure and even when we hired him. I didn't understand why we hired an OC who didn't run his own system or call his own plays.
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2016, 09:27:47 am »

The only question I have now is why in the world didn't they start looking for Philbin's replacement last year?
This is a perfect example of why we need an owner who is in touch with what is really going on in the organization. There are a lot of hands, egos, and agendas in between Ross and the team. According to Joe Rose Tannenbaum and company turned their backs on Dennis Hickey almost as soon as he was hired despite telling Ross and the media that they will be a cohesive group where everyone has input but Hickey will have final say.

It's kind of funny that Rose is an employee of the Dolphins as radio host but the former player in him drives him to speak so candidly about his dislike for Jeff Ireland and now Tannenbaum.
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2016, 03:23:15 pm »

Assuming all this is true, exactly what personnel expertise enables Mike Tannenbaum and Stephen Ross to overrule Joe Philbin in the assessment of Ryan Tannehill?

Philbin may be wrong about Tannehill, but why should anyone believe Mike Tannenbaum and Stephen Ross are right?
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2016, 03:48:37 pm »

Assuming all this is true, exactly what personnel expertise enables Mike Tannenbaum and Stephen Ross to overrule Joe Philbin in the assessment of Ryan Tannehill?

Philbin may be wrong about Tannehill, but why should anyone believe Mike Tannenbaum and Stephen Ross are right?
Your question is misleading. It makes it seem as though someone said that Philbin was wrong and they were right and that isn't the case.

To break it down for you Parcells style... the cook didn't want to make the dinner with the groceries that were given to him and even worse ... gave up trying and didn't even want someone like master chef Dan helping him to cook dinner. There hasn't been one person to insinuate that these were the best groceries so saying that he is more qualified to evaluate groceriesth an those who bought the groceries is bringing up a whole new conversation.
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2016, 03:56:30 pm »

Assuming all this is true, exactly what personnel expertise enables Mike Tannenbaum and Stephen Ross to overrule Joe Philbin in the assessment of Ryan Tannehill?

Philbin may be wrong about Tannehill, but why should anyone believe Mike Tannenbaum and Stephen Ross are right?

Well Mike Tannenbaum actually has some experience in personnel since he:

1. Worked in the personnel department at Cleveland
2. Worked in the personnel department at New Orleans
3. Worked in the personnel department at New York, becoming GM

So, he has experience in evaluating talent, probably significantly more experience than Joe Philbin.
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2016, 04:19:02 pm »

Your question is misleading. It makes it seem as though someone said that Philbin was wrong and they were right and that isn't the case.

To break it down for you Parcells style... the cook didn't want to make the dinner with the groceries that were given to him and even worse ... gave up trying and didn't even want someone like master chef Dan helping him to cook dinner. There hasn't been one person to insinuate that these were the best groceries so saying that he is more qualified to evaluate groceriesth an those who bought the groceries is bringing up a whole new conversation.

Great analogy, but may I add that in his first 2 years of being a "Head Chef", he didn't like the Ribeye Steaks and Lobster Tails he was given, so he traded them for Ramen Noodles and Spaghettio's.
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2016, 04:54:10 pm »

Great analogy, but may I add that in his first 2 years of being a "Head Chef", he didn't like the Ribeye Steaks and Lobster Tails he was given, so he traded them for Ramen Noodles and Spaghettio's.

Man, add a little spicy Italian snausage, and those spaghettiOs become seriously fucking gourmet...


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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2016, 05:08:53 pm »

On the other hand, nobody's livelihood was as dependent on Ryan Tannehill's performance as Joe Philbin's, and nobody had a more high-powered microscope on Tannehill's performance from week-to-week and from season-to-season than Philbin.

Philbin was the guy, long before Tannenbaum showed up, who was reviewing tape of Tannehill's performance every week, with complete knowledge of how closely it approximated what the team was intending to accomplish.  When the team wanted something from a given play call, Joe Philbin was in the best position known to man to evaluate whether Ryan Tannehill was holding up his end of the bargain in that regard.

Again, Joe Philbin could indeed be wrong about Ryan Tannehill, but there probably isn't a person on the planet who has as much of the best kind of information available about how Tannehill measures up as an NFL QB.  We certainly don't have that kind of information available to us on a message board, and I'm not sure Mike Tannenbaum has it either.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2016, 05:16:14 pm »

Man, add a little spicy Italian snausage, and those spaghettiOs become seriously fucking gourmet...



With a recipe like that I see why improving as a chef was your number 1 resolution.
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