Super Bowl Live Blog

[Spider-Dan]

His hand is under it, but not in front of it.  The front nose of the ball clearly touches the ground (right before both players' helmets hit the ground), and the ball moves around after it touches the ground.  Incomplete, by definition.

[Phishfan]

His hand is under it, but not in front of it. 

Are you sure?

[DaLittle B]

IMO when the ball touched the ground,then it moved,meaning he lost control of it,and didn't have control of the ball throughout the process of the catch.

[Tenshot13]

^^^^and this is exactly why they couldn't over turn the call on the field.  I just posted this, and we already have conflicting viewpoints.  No overturnable evidence.

[Phishfan]

This is the best angle. 

There is no one best angle and that is why when you take every angle and shot into account you see the ball never touched the ground. One angle doesn't cut it.

[dolphins4life]

You told everyone here that you weren't going to watch the SB because the Refs cheated your beloved Patriots two weeks ago, we wish you had followed your own proclamation.

I decided to watch it because I studied film of the AFC championship game and decided the calls were fine.  As I explained in my own thread, the pass to Gronkowski in the endzone was an uncatchable pass because he wouldn't have been able to catch it with three defenders on him.

As for the catch, Mike Carey himself said it was a catch on the air.

The offsides, I will have to see a video, but it looked like he was clearly offsides.

The pass to Ginn was pretty flagrant too.  At least as bad as the one they called on Carolina at the goal line later. 

[Phishfan]

the pass to Gronkowski in the endzone was an uncatchable pass because he wouldn't have been able to catch it with three defenders on him.

That is nothing close to how they define uncatchable.

[Tenshot13]

I decided to watch it because I studied film of the AFC championship game and decided the calls were fine.  As I explained in my own thread, the pass to Gronkowski in the endzone was an uncatchable pass because he wouldn't have been able to catch it with three defenders on him.

As for the catch, Mike Carey himself said it was a catch on the air.

The offsides, I will have to see a video, but it looked like he was clearly offsides.

The pass to Ginn was pretty flagrant too.  At least as bad as the one they called on Carolina at the goal line later. 

Mike Carey says a lot of shit that isn't correct.  I've heard his commentary during a lot of games this year, and I've seen him come up incorrect on a lot of calls too.  I wouldn't take what he says as the gospel.

[Spider-Dan]

Are you sure?

Yes.  Your picture is while they're still in the air and his hand is moving towards his legs.  When they land, his hand is under the ball, not in front of it.

The larger point is that whatever argument you want to make, it's clearly not going to be "indisputable visual evidence," which is (was?) the standard for overturning the call on the field of "incomplete pass."

As for the catch, Mike Carey himself said it was a catch on the air.

Mike Carey is wrong a lot.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/2/7/10858672/mike-carey-cbs-always-wrong-super-bowl-call
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/mike-carey-cbs-always-wrong-officiating-expert-why-is
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/08/what-happened-to-mike-carey/

[CF DolFan]

I have to admit ... until seeing Spider's video clip I thought it was a bad call but now I'm sure it was the correct call. At best it is inconclusive.

[Phishfan]

Your picture is while they're still in the air

We will never agree on anything if that picture of the receiver with his elbow and knee on the ground constitute being in the air in your opinion.

[Rich]

We will never agree on anything if that picture of the receiver with his elbow and knee on the ground constitute being in the air in your opinion.

Video provides more information than a still.

[Phishfan]

Video provides more information than a still.

So you say he was in the air at that moment also? If not, thanks for adding nothing to the discussion I'm having.

[Phishfan]

Mike Carey is wrong a lot.

Again we will never agree if you think 10% is a lot.



http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/mike-carey-cbs-officiating-expert-accuracy#

[Tenshot13]

I have to admit ... until seeing Spider's video clip I thought it was a bad call but now I'm sure it was the correct call. At best it is inconclusive.

1:14:49

This is the best angle.  When he initially hits the ground, the tip of the ball appears to hit turf.  Even if it didn't, it is too close to tell, and since the call was incomplete, you cannot overturn it.

1:19:47

His hand is under it, but not in front of it.  The front nose of the ball clearly touches the ground (right before both players' helmets hit the ground), and the ball moves around after it touches the ground.  Incomplete, by definition.

What the H man, give credit where credit is due!