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« on: February 11, 2016, 08:02:10 pm »

During the game I did think this was a little strange but didn't bring it up right after the game because I didn't want it to look like I was piling on Cam because I don't really blame the loss on him. I think he just experienced what many of the Broncos opponents experienced which is that it's really tough to complete passes when your receivers are covered and the pass rush is bearing down on you and got frustrated. Welcome to Ryan Tannehill's year.

Anyway now that we are a few days removed and not much else is being discussed, did Cam's lack of effort on the fumble recovery bother you or did you buy his explanation that he was worried about getting injured? Personally I thought he just lost focus for a second. In my opinion Cam was really second guessing himself, his line, his receivers and everything else at the time and just kinda blanked when it happened. I don't really think it has anything to do with his character or anything else other than maybe showing that he's human afterall.
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2016, 10:08:48 pm »

Cam is a new kind of QB. This is confusing to you becuase you've never seen anyone like him before. This is how the new QBs will roll. So shut up racist.
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2016, 10:33:32 pm »

That's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

If he dives in and gets hurt, it's a sign of his immaturity and inability to put the team's success over his own ego.
If he doesn't, he's scared of getting hurt and not fully committed to winning.

That being said, it seems like most of the criticism coming his way has been from other players, not the usual talking heads.  I didn't criticize him for the decision at the time, so I won't now.
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2016, 10:58:27 pm »

That's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

If he dives in and gets hurt, it's a sign of his immaturity and inability to put the team's success over his own ego.
If he doesn't, he's scared of getting hurt and not fully committed to winning.

That being said, it seems like most of the criticism coming his way has been from other players, not the usual talking heads.  I didn't criticize him for the decision at the time, so I won't now.

I disagree with the first part of your statement.  If Cam had gone after that fumble, I wouldn't have seen him as immature.  I would've seen him as a warrior who refused to give up and was trying to keep his team in the game, as it was still a one score game at that point. 

Cam's lack of action on that fumble combined with his attitude at that presser cause me to see him as a spoiled rotten "me first" type of guy who can't handle losing well.  Not the type of guy I want leading my team.

Jameis would've gone for that fumble with everything he had, injury be damned.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2016, 01:59:55 am »

If he goes after that fumble and gets hurt, sure, no harm no foul.
If he goes after that fumble and gets hurt, it doesn't matter whether CAR recovers it or not; the game is over, and next season might be over too.

And then we will have the parade of talking heads talking about situational awareness and how these young urban quarterbacks like Cam and RG3 just don't understand how important they are to their franchise, and how they need to protect themselves.
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2016, 08:19:07 am »

It is the Superbowl. You do what you have to do.

Any other argument about getting hurt or not getting hurt or next season is superfluous.

That play revealed a lot about Cam Newton.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2016, 08:45:42 am »

Exactly. This is what you are playing for. You don't save anything in this game or hold anything back. If he gets hurt trying to win then so be it. you regroup and do it again next year. If you don't try once there what was the point of even getting there. Historically many QBs have sacrificed their bodies in the big game when they never would have during the season.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2016, 09:05:09 am »

Exactly. This is what you are playing for. You don't save anything in this game or hold anything back. If he gets hurt trying to win then so be it. you regroup and do it again next year. If you don't try once there what was the point of even getting there. Historically many QBs have sacrificed their bodies in the big game when they never would have during the season.
John Elway comes to mind.  He was old as dirt, put his body on the line and was doing front flips into the endzone.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2016, 09:11:22 am »

I personally think he should have given some sort of effort. He didn't try at all. If injury is in the back of your mind during the heat of a play, you might be in the wrong profession. I've played all types of sports and never had injuries in my mind in a situation like that. Look at the athletes who have been injured, if they keep that injury in mind they never return to full form. If they go out and play as normal, many come back just fine.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2016, 09:36:28 am »

I personally think he should have given some sort of effort. He didn't try at all.

Not only did he not try... he seemed to think about it and then back off!
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2016, 11:04:08 am »


Immediately after it happened, I told my buddy "Did you see that? He just stood there and watched it!"

If Peyton "held together with bailing wire and duct tape" Manning can go diving after a loose fumble, the guy who fancies himself as Superman needs to do the same.

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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2016, 11:09:24 am »

Honestly, he comes off like a giant, whiney pussy.

--Win games
--over celebrate
--Teams get mad
--Says, "stop me if you don't want me over celebrating"
--Wins MVP
--Wears gold MVP shoes to warmups at superbowl
--Denver crushes him
--fumbles the ball and completely pusses out by not jumping on it
--Loses superbowl
--acts like a little bitch at his press conference

Little bitch can dish it out but can't take it.
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2016, 11:20:25 am »

So does this also mean that QBs should not slide feet first in the Super Bowl, as well?  Or run out of bounds to avoid hits?

I'm just not convinced that this YOLO attitude applies to the SB as well as is being implied.
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2016, 11:40:09 am »

So does this also mean that QBs should not slide feet first in the Super Bowl, as well?  Or run out of bounds to avoid hits?

I'm just not convinced that this YOLO attitude applies to the SB as well as is being implied.
If the game is on the line, you better have a YOLO attitude in the Superbowl.  That is why you save your body as best you can throughout the season, for that moment.  By not jumping on that fumble, he just showed the entire world he gave up.
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2016, 12:24:20 pm »

So does this also mean that QBs should not slide feet first in the Super Bowl, as well?  Or run out of bounds to avoid hits?

I'm just not convinced that this YOLO attitude applies to the SB as well as is being implied.

If it is for a first down to avoid punting or a turnover on downs or a touchdown (i.e. equivalent to falling on a loose ball in my mind) then yes, they should do all they can.
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