Kaepernick not standing for National Anthem

[Spider-Dan]

So is this a black/white thing?  From what I've seen, it's black/cops and all races except black.

Obviously no issue is monolithically black/white; Jerry Rice is black, Sheriff David Clarke is black, Hillary is white, Bernie is white, etc.

But generally speaking, I would break down "Black Lives Matter" vs. "All Lives Matter" as liberals (including white liberals) and politically unaffiliated minorities vs. law enforcement and white people.  I've yet to see any Hispanic or Asian organizations denouncing BLM.

[BuccaneerBrad]

 

"Black Lives Matter" has an implicit "too" at the end of it.

Saying "All Lives Matter" is being dismissive of the problem.

And what's that problem again?

A simple solution to this so called "problem".  Stop breaking the fucking law

[Spider-Dan]

"Not breaking the law" is not sufficient.  Tamir Rice, John Crawford, and Philando Castile were all killed having broken no law.

[pondwater]

"Not breaking the law" is not sufficient.  Tamir Rice, John Crawford, and Philando Castile were all killed having broken no law.

It's not the problem that it is made out to be. Most of the major media hype and biggest protests were surrounding people that were: breaking the law, not complying with officers, felons with weapons,  fighting with police, or pointing weapons at police. You may be able to pick a handful of incidents out of a country of 350 million people. However, blacks are not being gunned down in the street like stray dogs, at least not by police. Look to your own community for that distinction. Going by statistics, as a concerned black person, you should realize that your greatest risk is not from the police. It's from black people.

[CF DolFan]

I know it is cool these days to disrespect everything but I believe that is one of the biggest problems we face today.

In my opinion there is never a good excuse to disrespect our flag, our national anthem, the office of the President of the United States, military members both past and current, funerals, moments of silence, or first responders. There are others as well but I hope you get my point.

Just for clarification as in the office of president. I don't think it is wrong to criticise but when presented with their presence I think you treat them with the honor bestowed upon them. I disagree with Obama on much but I also disagree with athletes and the like who refuse to visit the white house with him just because they don't agree with his politics. I think we should always hold the office higher than politics or else we will eventually loose everything. We seem to be heading there now.

[Phishfan]

It's not the problem that it is made out to be.

If even one unarmed, innocent civilian is purposely shot and killed by the police it is more than the problem is being made out to be.

[CF DolFan]

If even one unarmed, innocent civilian is purposely shot and killed by the police it is more than the problem is being made out to be.

I agree but like in life, there are bad cops everywhere but they aren't the norm.  Just this week a local police officer arrested for violence. The woman had choke marks on her neck and he was subsequently arrested. when we pretend all or the majority are corrupt then we undermine the majority who are not. We undermine our very way of life.

Our court system isn't perfect either but it works most of the time. If we started saying all judges are corrupt then where would we be?

Back to the main topic. I saw something that Drew Brees said and it epitomizes the whole problem in my opinion.
Brees said, via ESPN. “Like, it’s an oxymoron that you’re sitting down, disrespecting that flag that has given you the freedom to speak out.”

[Sunstroke]

I think that if Kaep wants to be the impetus for change in the way police treat minorities, he should probably stop wearing socks that have images of pigs wearing police hats.



Just sayin'...

[pondwater]

If even one unarmed, innocent civilian is purposely shot and killed by the police it is more than the problem is being made out to be.

I would have to disagree. We don't live in a vacuum in some utopia. Having law enforcement has risks. Having cars, planes, and boats has risks. Using a hammer has risks. There will always be some innocent people that die regardless of the circumstances or reasons. You have to weigh the risk against the benefit. And in this case, in a country of approx. 350 million people, I don't see "police slaughtering black people in the streets", like the liberal agenda and media narrative would like everyone to believe. Like I said, the majority of the attention and protests in the past few years were surrounding "not too bright" people that were breaking the law, not complying with officers, felons with weapons,  fighting with police, or pointing weapons at police. So in my opinion, in the majority of these incidents the headline should read. PLAY STUPID GAMES, WIN STUPID PRIZES.

[Phishfan]

I would have to disagree.

You think society should find it acceptable for "unarmed, innocent civilians" to have an inherent risk of being purposely shot by the police? That is definitely the most outlandish thing to ever come across this board.

[CF DolFan]

I think that if Kaep wants to be the impetus for change in the way police treat minorities, he should probably stop wearing socks that have images of pigs wearing police hats.



Just sayin'...

It's not like his Fidel Castro/Malcolm X shirt was much better. I think this guy is just having a public breakdown.

[Spider-Dan]

I agree but like in life, there are bad cops everywhere but they aren't the norm.  Just this week a local police officer arrested for violence. The woman had choke marks on her neck and he was subsequently arrested. when we pretend all or the majority are corrupt then we undermine the majority who are not.

The only way that "all or the majority" have been insinuated to be corrupt is when police officers close ranks to protect the "one bad apple."  Furthermore, even in the "handful" of incidents I cited, what consequences did those officers face?  When a NY police officer used a prohibited chokehold to subdue someone for selling untaxed cigarettes, and (according to the medical examiner) that chokehold led to the death of the suspect, what consequences did that police officer face?

And that's the core of the problem: not just that unarmed black people are being killed by cops, but that police officers are facing no significant consequences for doing so.  This is why "black-on-black" crime is not relevant to the topic of BLM; (civilian) black killers go to prison.

Brees said, via ESPN. “Like, it’s an oxymoron that you’re sitting down, disrespecting that flag that has given you the freedom to speak out.”

The equally oxymoronic corollary of Brees' statement is that people should use the freedom the flag stands for... to say only things that everyone already agrees with?

[suck for luck]

I had a real problem with him sitting. Now that he's kneeling it's all good.

[pondwater]

You think society should find it acceptable for "unarmed, innocent civilians" to have an inherent risk of being purposely shot by the police? That is definitely the most outlandish thing to ever come across this board.

You find it outlandish that some people actually use logic instead of emotion. As a society, when we adopt something, we automatically have to understand that there are downsides to everything. Unarmed, innocent people die everyday for thousands of reasons. Innocent people die from police. Innocent people die from automobiles. Innocent people die from cancer. People(police), machines(automobiles), and the human body are not infallible. Innocent people will continue to die until the end of humanity and that's a fact. No amount of whining and complaining will change it. Yes, we can work on cutting down the numbers. However, ironically your ridiculous number of "even one innocent person" is unrealistic and a very outlandish expectation. Odds, probabilities, and statistics don't care what you or society finds acceptable.

If you could snap your fingers and make this problem go away. Tomorrow the liberals would find another "cause" to start complaining about and blaming someone for. It's not because they care, it's all about a political agenda.

[Dave Gray]

There's so much going on in this thread that it's impossible to track:

Is protesting via this method ever acceptable?  (Is it disrespect to the military, etc)
Is the protest sensible in this particular situation?  (Is sitting for BLM a good use of a protest)
Is what is being protested a valid issue?  (Is BLM even a valid concern)
Is the person protesting a hypocrite?  (Kaep wearing pig socks, etc.)