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dolphins4life
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« on: January 15, 2017, 11:08:52 pm »
I am watching the Steelers Chiefs game.

I just saw the Chiefs have their conversion called back and they had to try again from the twelve.

What if they kicked the extra point to make it a one point game?

Then on the kickoff, they kick it towards their OWN goal, and try to down it inside the the ten.

Then the Steelers would not be able to run the clock out.  They would either score a touchdown or kick a field goal and either way the Chiefs would have a shot at tying it.

Is that legal?

I wonder.
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2017, 11:19:26 pm »
I doubt you can kick it backwards.  But setting that aside, in such a situation, the Steelers would go up by 7 with the TD, and would be able to go for two to go up by 9, which would seal the game.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2017, 11:20:40 pm »
They could but the Chiefs could stop them and keep it a seven point game.

The chart usually says go for one if you are up seven, though the Seahawks bucked that trend against New England that year. 
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2017, 11:24:42 pm »
What chart in the world says to go for 1 if you are up by 7?

Why would any team want to go up by one score instead of two?
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2017, 12:01:32 am »
Quote from: dolphins4life on January 15, 2017, 11:08:52 pm
I am watching the Steelers Chiefs game.

I just saw the Chiefs have their conversion called back and they had to try again from the twelve.

What if they kicked the extra point to make it a one point game?

Then on the kickoff, they kick it towards their OWN goal, and try to down it inside the the ten.

Then the Steelers would not be able to run the clock out.  They would either score a touchdown or kick a field goal and either way the Chiefs would have a shot at tying it.

Is that legal?

I wonder.

Doesn't the kickoff have to travel forward ten yards to be legal in the first place? That's usually one of the the hard parts in achieving an onside kick. Undecided
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2017, 03:37:13 am »
It has to travel forward ten yards before the kicking team is allowed to recover it.
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2017, 07:50:24 am »
Not sure Pitt would kick a FG or score a TD anyway. They would have let the clock run down, turn it over on downs. Leave no time and let KC start a drive inside their own 10 or 5 in your crazy scenario
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2017, 11:29:54 am »
Real question is should they have kicked onside after failing the 2pt conversion.
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2017, 11:53:08 am »
Quote from: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 16, 2017, 11:29:54 am
Real question is should they have kicked onside after failing the 2pt conversion.

Yes
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2017, 01:11:31 pm »
I expected the onside kick but wasn't totally shocked when they didn't do it.
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2017, 11:52:30 am »
Quote from: Spider-Dan on January 16, 2017, 03:37:13 am
It has to travel forward ten yards before the kicking team is allowed to recover it.
I believe it is a penalty for the kicking team to touch the ball before it travels FORWARD 10 yards.  So, kicking it backwards is a guaranteed TD for the receiving team, as they could just let it roll into the end zone and fall on it.  There is no way for the kicking team to "down it inside the ten" without a penalty.
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2017, 06:14:37 pm »
Quote from: Brian Fein on January 30, 2017, 11:52:30 am
I believe it is a penalty for the kicking team to touch the ball before it travels FORWARD 10 yards.  So, kicking it backwards is a guaranteed TD for the receiving team, as they could just let it roll into the end zone and fall on it.  There is no way for the kicking team to "down it inside the ten" without a penalty.

Yes but what is the penalty?  If it is recieving team gets the ball at spot of foul, it would work.  Moronic plan but would work.  What they should have tried is an onside kick.
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2017, 10:57:28 am »
I believe "illegal touching" is 5 yard penalty and re-kick

So you could keep doing it until you're kicking off from your own goal line, and then let them recover an onside kick inside the 10 for first and goal.
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2017, 11:24:57 am »
A team committing repeated fouls like that would likely run into the "palpably unfair" rule, at which point the referee can do damn near anything he wants, including a 10-second runoff per foul.
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2017, 12:52:28 pm »
From the rules digest, "If the kicking team either illegally kicks off out of bounds or is guilty of a short free kick on two or more consecutive onside kicks, receivers may take possession of the ball at the dead ball spot, out-of-bounds spot, or spot of illegal touch."

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/kickoff
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