Will sports teams visits to the White House be coming to an end?

[CF DolFan]

There are plenty of videos/reports when it came out.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/28/trump-says-take-guns-first-and-worry-due-process-second-white-house-gun-meeting/381145002/

Maybe you'll believe FoxNews: https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5742980798001/#sp=show-clips

He's talking about bypassing due process to seize guns.

I get what you're saying but I don't see it that way. In either case he was speaking about a very small minority of people who pose an immediate threat to themselves or others. There needs to be a way of temporarily taking guns from someone who had made outrageous claims. I don't know how you do that legally but there needs to be a better system in place. in most of these mass shootings their were plenty of signs before they happened.

[CF DolFan]

Please explain what you mean by this.

Any law (e.g. voter ID) that blocks someone who is otherwise legally qualified to vote is "stopping someone legal from voting." If you disagree, I can think of all kinds of new gun control laws that don't stop anyone legal from owning a gun... they would just throw up extra roadblocks to make sure we don't have the wrong people casting votes buying guns.
The press is not our elected government.  Why would you think the same standard applies both ways?  I mean, just because the President can have a journalist arrested, that doesn't mean a journalist can have the President arrested.
The irony is that even if we grant your statement as true, it's irrelevant.  Gun rights would not have helped Jews in Nazi Germany any more than the 2nd Amendment helped Japanese-American citizens when government jackboots came to drag them and their families off to concentration camps.

Spider .... if we did not have an issue with illegals in this country then voter ID would not be needed. Unfortunately we have millions of illegals and many of those vote in elections. That doesn't count the people who are dead and or not allowed to vote because of prison record. I have to have an ID to fish, hunt, drive, cash a check, buy tobacco and beer, buy some things etc. no matter how much you try to convince me it seems pretty petty to pretend some little old black lady has no way to get an ID. I have both lived and worked in the projects by selling and delivering furniture. Poor people have access to getting IDs too. 

[Fau Teixeira]

Unfortunately we have millions of illegals and many of those vote in elections

no .. absolutely no .. this is just a bald faced lie without any proof whatsoever

[Spider-Dan]

Setting aside the fact that voting fraud is not a real problem - maybe a dozen arrests out of hundreds of millions of votes cast - and that virtually all convictions of voting fraud involve US citizens, I still find it bizarre that we need to be concerned about illegal immigrants jumping the border and committing violent crimes before voting illegally, but the one thing we DON'T need to be concerned about is them getting a gun.

So when it comes to weapons used to mass murder schoolchildren, there's no point in enacting gun control because criminals don't obey the law, you see.  But if we have to turn away hundreds of thousands of legal voters because they don't have the identification they already provided when they registered to vote in the first place, so be it!  Apparently criminals can easily get guns, but a fake ID is completely unthinkable.

[CF DolFan]

no .. absolutely no .. this is just a bald faced lie without any proof whatsoever

My first two google searches.


https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article225094315.html
Texas Secretary of State David Whitley said a year-long evaluation found about 95,000 people described as “non-U.S. citizens” who are registered to vote in Texas. About 58,000 of them voted in Texas elections between 1996 and 2018, Whitley said.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-local/2018/07/27/Pennsylvania-voter-registration-illegal-election-non-citizens-vote/stories/201807270155
The review first uncovered 11,198 potentially-ineligible voters on the rolls, prompting the agency to undertake a process of confirming registrations. That resulted in 2,500 people being removed from the list recently. But about 8,700 of those registrants remain on the rolls across 64 counties, and those counties will now be tasked with confirming their eligibility or removing them from the rolls.

[Fau Teixeira]

My first two google searches.


https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article225094315.html
Texas Secretary of State David Whitley said a year-long evaluation found about 95,000 people described as “non-U.S. citizens” who are registered to vote in Texas. About 58,000 of them voted in Texas elections between 1996 and 2018, Whitley said.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-local/2018/07/27/Pennsylvania-voter-registration-illegal-election-non-citizens-vote/stories/201807270155
The review first uncovered 11,198 potentially-ineligible voters on the rolls, prompting the agency to undertake a process of confirming registrations. That resulted in 2,500 people being removed from the list recently. But about 8,700 of those registrants remain on the rolls across 64 counties, and those counties will now be tasked with confirming their eligibility or removing them from the rolls.

don't buy the hype .. it is simply not true:

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/01/texas-citizenship-voter-roll-review-how-it-turned-boondoggle/
"Someone did not do their due diligence": How an attempt to review Texas' voter rolls turned into a debacle
Texas officials flagged 95,000 voters for citizenship reviews. But after thousands have already been cleared, questions are being raised about how they handled the process.
...
The secretary of state’s office eventually walked back its initial findings after embarrassing errors in the data revealed that tens of thousands of the voters the state flagged were citizens. At least one lawsuit was filed to halt the review, and others were likely in the pipeline. And a week into the review, no evidence of large-scale voter fraud had emerged.

your second example:
https://www.philly.com/philly/news/voter-system-glitch-pennsylvania-non-citizens-registration-motor-voter-20180727.html
Murren said the agency has "no further information" about illegal votes beyond figures released last fall, when the State Department announced that noncitizens may have cast 544 ballots illegally out of more than 93 million ballots from 2000 through 2017. Those illegal ballots — one in every 172,000 votes — were revealed after the ineligible registrants reported themselves as having mistakenly registered, the department has said.

According to the State Department, the noncitizen immigrants registered to vote at PennDot centers while getting their driver's licenses — which legal residents, like lawfully present non-U.S. citizens, are allowed to obtain.

But during the process of getting their photos taken, their names were put through the motor-voter system — which was installed in the mid-1990s to simplify registration — and "inadvertently" registered to vote even though they weren't legally allowed, the agency said in a statement.

[Fau Teixeira]

The reason you see these stories is because the republicans desperately want it to be true .. that the reason they're losing elections and why trump lost the popular vote is because  all those illegals funded by soros conspired to illegally vote against the righteous defenders of the american way.

BS .. pure BS. voter fraud in the US is so minuscule it's beyond negligible, yet it's used as an excuse to disenfranchise as many brown people as can be found in red states in a desperate grasp to prevent them from going purple .. or blue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/some-republicans-acknowledge-leveraging-voter-id-laws-for-political-gain.html

Yet academic studies and election-law experts broadly agree that voter fraud is not a widespread problem in American elections. Rather, they say, it is a widespread political tactic used either to create doubt about an election’s validity or to keep one’s opponents — in most cases, Democratic voters — from casting ballots.

In unguarded moments, some Republican supporters of the laws have been inclined to agree.

In April of this year, Representative Glenn Grothman, Republican of Wisconsin, predicted in a television interview that the state’s photo ID law would weaken the Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s chances of winning the state in November’s election.

mmmhmmm

[Cathal]

^^^ And you wonder why the republicans don't want to make it easier for people to be able to vote. They know that the more people that vote, the more likely it is they'll lose. They have basically stated that with their opposition to the bill.

[CF DolFan]

^^^ the poorer you are the more likely you'll vote Democrat. I have no doubt that Florida will no longer be represented by Republicans seeing as how we just passed a law to allow felons to vote.  Democrats want people to depend on the government while Republicans want people to be able to take care of themselves. We fought for freedom from slavery to the King so I'm not sure why Democrats are fighting to become slaves to the government. It's the same thing only a bigger entity.  

I swear I wish we would break up into 2 separate nations seeing as how we are so split. I don't know why anyone who wants to live the way they want should be forced to do so. Two nations ... one conservative and the other socialist.  I don't think it would take very long for one to fail.

[Spider-Dan]

We fought for freedom from slavery to the King so I'm not sure why Democrats are fighting to become slaves to the government. It's the same thing only a bigger entity.

No, a democratic republic is not "the same thing" as a monarchy.  We, The People ARE the government.  But it seems like when Republicans suspect that they will lose honest votes, their answer is to rig the system to stay in power.  Why be ruled by the poor just because there are more of them? Everyone knows the proper way of things is for the rich to rule us.

I swear I wish we would break up into 2 separate nations seeing as how we are so split.

That good old pro-America patriotism!

You aren't the first Floridian to suggest that we should have two different countries.  It didn't work out so well when they tried it.

[Sunstroke]

Two nations ... one conservative and the other socialist. 

This phrasing says so much about your political thought process...

How about we split instead into two nations...Democrats and religious zealots.

...see what I did there?

[Cathal]

^^^ the poorer you are the more likely you'll vote Democrat. I have no doubt that Florida will no longer be represented by Republicans seeing as how we just passed a law to allow felons to vote.  Democrats want people to depend on the government while Republicans want people to be able to take care of themselves. We fought for freedom from slavery to the King so I'm not sure why Democrats are fighting to become slaves to the government. It's the same thing only a bigger entity.  

I swear I wish we would break up into 2 separate nations seeing as how we are so split. I don't know why anyone who wants to live the way they want should be forced to do so. Two nations ... one conservative and the other socialist.  I don't think it would take very long for one to fail.

You really have no empathy for your fellow man. Very strange, as you call yourself a Christian. The socialistic ideas that are being put forth have everything to do with making sure people don't go broke because of a hospital bill. It's to pay for education so our country is better off.

Go ahead and form your own country. I guess you won't be having Police, Fire Fighters, roadways, etc.... You can take care of yourself, for now. Just wait for that one life event to happen and all of a sudden you're on your own, on the streets.

[Fau Teixeira]

Jesus was a socialist

[Spider-Dan]

If I may offer a more nuanced criticism of secession in a democracy, it's that it is fundamentally immoral and oppressive.  Let's walk through the rationale:

1) I don't like that I'm being outvoted by people I disagree with, so
2) Let's break off and form a new country where people who agree with me are the majority
3) "What about the people who disagree with you, but are in the minority of this new country?"
4) If you don't like it, leave it.  The door is that way.

Seems to me that 2 and 3 are unnecessary when we can just go straight from 1 to 4 instead. But ultimately, secessionists are fine with an oppressed political minority; they just think it should be someone else instead of them.

[CF DolFan]

Jesus was a socialist

Not even close. He didn't take from anyone nor did he order anyone to take from anyone. The coolest thing about God is free will. He gives us guidelines to live by and we choose whether we want to do that. Some choose to follow Him and other do not.