New normal?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Just ban all semi-automatics as well.

Best part of the town hall (I am paraphrasing)

Rubio: (thinking he is explaining an intractable problem) The problem with trying to ban assault rifles is all the exceptions and loopholes and it would be litterally impossible to close them all without a ban of all semi automatic rifles.

Wild applause and cheering

Rubio: Fair enough.

[CF DolFan]

If you aren't claiming to be an expert, why do you keep trying to compare your (meaningless layman) "expertise" to my equally meaningless "expertise"?  Neither one of us are qualified to speak on why military and law enforcement continue to purchase Class III weapons, yet you keep pretending to be an authority on the subject.
They are "not sold to the public" because of the 1986 gun control law banning sales of them to the public, which is the entire point!

You and CF are claiming that gun bans don't work because of the all-powerful black market, yet there IS no black market for post-1986 NFA weapons, and even pre-1986 NFA weapons are also effectively unavailable.

The 1986 Class III gun control law PROVES that gun bans work!

just saying and not to make you not sleep at night but there are plenty of people who own fully auto weapons. Some legally and many not.  We have a lot of ex-military dealing on the black market. Money is all it takes to get a hold of something like that. Other than that we have numerous shooting ranges that rent them out so they could be stolen if someone wanted to.

In my opinion is we outlaw gun "A" it only shifts the burden to a new gun. If that kid had used a shotgun with buckshot he'd have killed many more as each shot has the capacity to hit several people.

[CF DolFan]

I realize this is extreme but I swear some people seem to pretend life will work this way.

Law Abiding Criminals

https://youtu.be/BYVqmBaqgPU

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

^^^^ To quote the survivors "I say BS"

The question is not will such an action stop every fucking shooting in the country the question is will it reduce it.  Your stance is the equivalent of we should make drunk driving legal, because making it illegal hasn't completely eliminated all automobile fatalities.

[CF DolFan]

^^^^ To quote the survivors "I say BS"

The question is not will such an action stop every fucking shooting in the country the question is will it reduce it.  Your stance is the equivalent of we should make drunk driving legal, because making it illegal hasn't completely eliminated all automobile fatalities.

And your stance is we should take cars from everyone to reduce drunk driving .... which is a far greater problem in our country.

[Spider-Dan]

just saying and not to make you not sleep at night but there are plenty of people who own fully auto weapons. Some legally and many not.

Apparently they are all too scared of getting caught to use them in the commission of crimes, which is yet another benefit of banning them.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

And your stance is we should take cars from everyone to reduce drunk driving .... which is a far greater problem in our country.

No it is not. I want us to treat guns exactly like we treat cars.  You must pass a test showing that you competently and safely operate a gun.  You must register  and insure any gun you own.  If you use the gun irresponsible you lose the right to access one.  And we get rid of and hold the manufacturer responsible for any product that is unreasonably dangerous (Ford Pinto).

[CF DolFan]

Apparently they are all too scared of getting caught to use them in the commission of crimes, which is yet another benefit of banning them.

hahaha ... you just spoke right from the NRA montra. Most NRA members are law abiding citizen Zeus and shouldn’t be restricted because other nutcases are mentally ill.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

If that kid had used a shotgun with buckshot he'd have killed many more as each shot has the capacity to hit several people.

BS.  Let's go with he has a double barrel shot gun with 00 buckshot.  In theory each of the nine pellets could have hit a unique student for a total of 18.  But as I am sure you are aware in order for that amount of spread the shooter would have needed to be so far away from the targets that the shots would be unlikely to kill but rather injure. 

More likely outcome of the attack would be 1-4 people killed or seriously injured before the assailant being overtaken as he tried to reload.

[Spider-Dan]

Let me clarify my position, CF:

Banning sales to the public of all class III weapons made after 1986 has effectively eliminated those weapons from public distribution, and seems to have completely eliminated them from use in the commission of crimes.

Given the resounding success of this extremely strict gun law, what evidence is there that "gun bans don't work because criminals don't obey the law"?  It seems to me that criminals are much more likely to travel to nearby jurisdictions where it is easy to legally* acquire a gun, then sneak it into an area where guns are banned.  But that strategy doesn't work with federal gun bans, like the post-1986 class III gun control law.

I would happily welcome a world where the only illegal guns that get into the hands of criminals are those that are smuggled over the border.


*In this case, "legally" also includes "technically illegal, but with no lawful enforcement mechanism," such as gun show sales to convicted felons

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I would happily welcome a world where the only illegal guns that get into the hands of criminals are those that are smuggled over the border.

From where?  They aren't going to be coming from Canada, they already have strict gun control. And the wall with Mexico will prevent them from coming in from the south.

[pondwater]

First, I dislike Spidey almost as much as I dislike you, just for completely different annoying reasons. It would be like me saying to you "Your buddy Charles Manson...," just because I equate both you and Manson with "fucked up in the head."

Second, automatic weapons, in the hands of anyone other than the military, are nothing but a problem. Please feel free to cite any positive activities/hunting/sports that involve a fucking machine gun.

P.S. No, robbing banks doesn't count as a positive activity...

Please cite some of the crimes committed with the currently LEGAL NON-BANNED Class III full auto weapons. If you can't cite any crimes committed with those weapons, then any problems you perceive with those weapons by you points to you being "FUCKED IN THE HEAD".

[pondwater]

pondwater, you have just supported the idea that banning items work. You really should re-think your stance.

Class III weapons aren't banned. I can go buy one tomorrow. It's sad that some of you guys don't even know what the word BANNED means.

[pondwater]

If you aren't claiming to be an expert, why do you keep trying to compare your (meaningless layman) "expertise" to my equally meaningless "expertise"?  Neither one of us are qualified to speak on why military and law enforcement continue to purchase Class III weapons, yet you keep pretending to be an authority on the subject.

Because people with extensive experience are more knowledgeable than people like you with absolutely NO experience. I have encouraged you to google the topic and learn something. Also, because you're lazy and like to spin things, I posted a link to an article from Military.com that refutes exactly what you are saying. I guess facts don't fit your liberal agenda. 

They are "not sold to the public" because of the 1986 gun control law banning sales of them to the public, which is the entire point!

You and CF are claiming that gun bans don't work because of the all-powerful black market, yet there IS no black market for post-1986 NFA weapons, and even pre-1986 NFA weapons are also effectively unavailable.

The 1986 Class III gun control law PROVES that gun bans work!

For the 100th time. Full auto Class III weapons ARE NOT BANNED!!! That is a fact...

[pondwater]

Just ban all semi-automatics as well.

Best part of the town hall (I am paraphrasing)

Rubio: (thinking he is explaining an intractable problem) The problem with trying to ban assault rifles is all the exceptions and loopholes and it would be litterally impossible to close them all without a ban of all semi automatic rifles.

Wild applause and cheering

Rubio: Fair enough.

So much for COMMON SENSE GUN LAWS. If you Libs were serious and realistic you might get somewhere. But your emotions prevent you from making rational and realistic suggestions. What you're proposing isn't going to happen and you know it. Keep it up and you're going to keep Trump and the Republicans in office for a long long time, LMAO...